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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:37 pm 
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Childish comment Geoff, I imagine the many hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots that benefit from the presence of the SBA's are quite content.


Spot on "Hudswell" regarding how both TCs&GCs benefitted form the Bases. I know from personnel experience how many thousands lived in Limassol and had to be moved onto the bases during the invasion.
'Archbishop Makarios Ave' was then known as the Limassol bypass with shops catering for HMF pesonnel all the way down, with such names as'The Andy Cap Bar' 'Wee Woolworths' etc. The Calypso Bar is still there although it seems to have change its type of trade these days.


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Childish comment Geoff, I imagine the many hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots that benefit from the presence of the SBA's are quite content.


Spot on "Hudswell" regarding how both TCs&GCs benefitted form the Bases. I know from personnel experience how many thousands lived in Limassol and had to be moved onto the bases during the invasion.
'Archbishop Makarios Ave' was then known as the Limassol bypass with shops catering for HMF pesonnel all the way down, with such names as'The Andy Cap Bar' 'Wee Woolworths' etc. The Calypso Bar is still there although it seems to have change its type of trade these days.


I am sure many have benefitted from the presence of the SBAs since independence.
My question was, which nobody has answered, was regarding the terms of engagement by British forces during the 1974 invasion. What exactly were they?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:56 pm 
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http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British ... is_of_1974


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:30 pm 
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http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974


Many thanks indeed for that link. The paper it takes me to is going to take a while to
read and fully understand. Bit of light reading later on. But it appears to answer all
my questions.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:37 pm 
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I suggest you go to page 52 and read the conclusion.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:28 am 
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I suggest you go to page 52 and read the conclusion.


Have done, I rest my case. As I suspected the UK Politicians had no appetite to intervene although
they had a moral responsibility to do so.
I would call it a damning report.
Again, many thanks to Draffe for bringing this to the forum.
I wonder what Cyprus would be like today if the UK forces had intervened?
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geoffreys wrote:
I wonder what Cyprus would be like today if the UK forces had intervened?
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I wonder what Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghansitan would be like today if the UK had NOT intervened. No refugees, no rebuilding of infrastructure, no backlash from fundamentalists in The West etc etc.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing for armchair generals.

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geoffreys wrote:
I wonder what Cyprus would be like today if the UK forces had intervened?
Geoff.


I wonder what Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghansitan would be like today if the UK had NOT intervened. No refugees, no rebuilding of infrastructure, no backlash from fundamentalists in The West etc etc.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing for armchair generals.


It sure is.
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geoffreys wrote:
As I suspected the UK Politicians had no appetite to intervene although
they had a moral responsibility to do so.
I would call it a damning report.


A damning report?...well according to academics it is. The report has no credence in military circles, nor politicians of the time. It was not the conclusion of the UN or NATO or RUSI or any other respected international organisation. Just another academic report from armchair generals after the event...

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I also worked with a guy who was in the Royal Navy and the ship he was on was part of the fleet that was initially sent to intercept the Turkish Invasion Fleet but turned around and withdrew to south of the island. He like most of the sailors in the fleet were convinced it was the Americans who forced our politicians to withdraw the fleet: true or not I don't know but the country that we pretend to have a special relationship with did the same in Suez and sat on the fence during the Falklands War.

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Hudswell wrote:
I suggest you go to page 52 and read the conclusion.


Have done, I rest my case. As I suspected the UK Politicians had no appetite to intervene although
they had a moral responsibility to do so.
I would call it a damning report.
Again, many thanks to Draffe for bringing this to the forum.
I wonder what Cyprus would be like today if the UK forces had intervened?
Geoff.


A damming report? I am sorry but I don't get that impression at all, it is a factual report that fully acknowledges that the UK had no legal right to intervene, morally exactly which side should it have intervened on behalf of? The U.K. Government was extremely active on the political front for a resolution and did the UK really want to engage in a war with Turkey, a fellow NATO member and had far more resources in theatre and close by compared with the the British Army.


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