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Author:  markwoods39 [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:08 pm ]
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have just spoken with martin, at the news of the world, Sunday newspaper here in the uk. He is not interested in taken up the story about animals being poisoned in Cyprus. Why???? it because i have not enough stories to back up my claim only the 4.We was supposed to meet up on Monday at 3.30pm in London.

On this note i shall bid you all farewell, and Pete could you please remove me from the membership. I am so angry with the people on this forum at the moment, as i did ask you all for you help, and yes some off you did and i thank you so much for it i really did appreciate it,YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, and i know some off you are very caring people.

What i cannot get into my head is you all moan about the poison in Cyprus, but do not want to do anything about it???? WHY NOT you live there, you work there,you bring members of your family there,It you place of living now, so why do you only talk words and not action?????

So for the people on here who never made any attempt to help, please remember one thing, next time you see an animal suffering from this poison, it could have been prevented by us all just voicing an opinion. I was not asking you all to go out, or marching through the street's in Cyprus, just some stories, and you account on thing's happening in Cyprus, it would have taken you just mins to write something .I am sure we could have stopped this with the big paper behind us all.

I am sorry if you think this post is uncalled for, but this is how i feel right now, and just voicing my views and anger. Pete you can now remove me and the sticky post .

On that note ,thank you for having me and it really was a great laugh on here. best of luck to you ALL and take care.

Regards
Mark
P.s i not checking replys so no need to post anything back.
Author:  sevener [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:17 pm ]
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So who's going to go and pick Marks teddy up and put it back in the pram? :D :D :D :D :D

It must be frustrating however... I can't help at the moment though being stuck in UK.
Author:  Pete [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:31 pm ]
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Sevener,

I understand what Mark is on about, he's trying to help the people in Cyprus by campaigning on their behalf & getting a national newspaper to do a story on the poisoning of animals over here & has asked our members to write any stories they may have in regard to this situation but it seems not a lot of our members have had any problems, may this be through not having animals or because we already know the risks & take extra precautions, I don't know :roll:

Imo, I think the NOTW was hoping to get something without doing any of the work themselves & because we couldn't come up with the required information, instead of actually checking it out for themselves, they just binned the whole thing :shock:

Now I don't know about anyone else but I don't think that bodes well for the NOTW in my books, so instead of getting some great publicity for trying to help us over here, now they are just going to be ridiculed by ex-pats for not helping :roll:

In the end, we can't help if some tabloid journo who was going to help is now probably been told by his editor to forget his free flight & holiday in Cyprus, has now decided to write something else instead :shock:

That's how cruel life is sometimes, we just need to fight the good fight on a different front instead :D
Author:  Starchild [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:29 pm ]
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It takes more than enthusiasm to champion a cause. It takes level headedness, patience and ambassadorship.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind. :roll:

Come on Mark. Be adult about this. If you really have a passion to help the animals in Cyprus why are you giving up at the first hurdle?

Verity. 8)
Author:  Tiggy [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:18 pm ]
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I agree with Verity on this one.

I have signed several petitions regarding this but did not contribute to Mark's request as I have no personal experience of it. We are very careful where we walk Kofie. We have a 'kit' should we be unlucky enough to encounter this problem. I sympathise with every single person who has witnessed their beloved pet harmed or destroyed by this dreadful poison.

I know how Mark must feel, very frustrated. I too know this feeling. I have been trying to obtain a licence for a charity event for over a year now. I have banged my head on so many walls I have lost count. I could just have walked away and been angry with the system here, with the lethargy of others but where would that get me. I know Mark is trying to whip up some interest in the UK for our dreadful plight here with regards to Lanate. To this end, I take my hat off to him. But as Verity say's it takes more than enthusiasm to champion a cause. It really does take level headedness and endless patience and stamina and a very thick skin.
If you really believe in something, if it is your burning desire, then you will go to any lengths to achieve it. You will overcome obstacles and you will never been swayed from your desire.
Blaming lack of support and getting upset with the very people you want on your side is not the way to achieve the result you want.
Sometimes, a different approach is required.
I cannot definatively outline the approach that should be taken as each individual has different levels of stamina and resourcefulness and reserves of inner strength.
Mark's heart is in the right place. Maybe, instead of throwing in the towel he should take a step back and rethink how this should be approached.
I am sure that we can help someway in this.
I am also sure that the tabloid press in the UK really couldn't give a toss about Lanate poison here, or for that matter our pets that get poisoned by it. It is not sensational enough.
On a lighter note can you just imagine the headlines??
And no, I don't mean to be flipant. I just cannot imagine the 'News of the World' coming up with something that is not sensational.

Tiggy
Author:  Yogafan_Pam [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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I'm feeling very cynical today.

I agree with Tiggy, this story would not be sensational enough for the British press.

To make the news (papers), tardy magazines, etc, you have to be either a terrorist or suspect, a school kid with a knife, a serial killer or a celebrity snapped high on drugs or showing their knickers or both. :(

Seldom is any good news reported these days.

I sooo need to get out of this country :!:

Pam 8)
Author:  JulieC [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:23 pm ]
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Pam

I agree wholeheartedly. I commend Mark for his efforts on a matter which is obviously close to his heart but it is probably just not controversial enough for a paper like the News of the World. If I am to be very cynical I would suggest that the reporter's interest in this story may have been more to do with the free holiday he was promised rather than any genuine interest in the poisoning issue.
The stories that we read nowadays of violence, abuse, drug taking and robbery are a sad reflection of what our country is becoming and I cannot wait to leave it. It is no wonder that brits are leaving in their droves in search of a better life elsewhere.
And I just got my council tax bill - £1500 :rant

Julie x
Author:  Minerva [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:44 pm ]
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I agree that the NOTW is out for pure sensationism - it will give Cyprus uncalled for negative publicity . There is more to our adopted home than this - I feel it is not the UK's argument but our's, who live here and love the way of life. I have had no experience of Lanate Poisoning as we live in a village where they value their dogs and animal stock - but the last 'story' I heard about Lanate poisoning was done by a Brit because 'he hates cats'
Ruth x
Author:  Yogafan_Pam [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:44 pm ]
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And I just got my council tax bill - £1500


(Sharp intake of breath) Julie we are expecting ours anytime soon, Band E, so it may be more. :shock:

There was a 'Tonight' programme on TV about wrong banding of some properties, and some people may be eligible for a rebate. It might be worth checking http://www.VOA.gov.uk

Pam 8)
Author:  cypriotsid [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:13 am ]
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Yogafan_Pam wrote:
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And I just got my council tax bill - £1500


(Sharp intake of breath) Julie we are expecting ours anytime soon, Band E, so it may be more. :shock:

There was a 'Tonight' programme on TV about wrong banding of some properties, and some people may be eligible for a rebate. It might be worth checking http://www.VOA.gov.uk

Pam 8)


We checked a few in our road and we was correct..so checked neighbour either side and one not registered or no info available :shock:
Author:  JulieC [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:43 am ]
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We checked ours and I'm sorry to say it is correct :(

Julie x
Author:  discopants [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:04 am ]
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Mark mate,
I'm pretty sure you will look in on here again and if you do I would like to ask you to re consider your decision to give up on this site.
Sure you are angry but you should not be angry with us, You enjoy the banter on here and we enjoy your banter on here so let's keep it coming.
Take a breather if you must but get back to posting in that way that only you do and keep the banter coming.
Gary 8)
Author:  cypriotsid [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:15 am ]
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Hi Mark

Not sure if you should beat yourself up over this.Many a petition has been sent to euro mp's and still nothing done.If you look at other forums pets have been taken to police and still no one arrested.

I commend you for trying and there are things that upset me about cy but then there way off life is different ie slaughter pig etc.I was in middle east and trying to get my head around things was hard.

There ar elots of great people on these forums trying there hardest to get lannate banned all protection animal shelters etc.

I hope after few days you might want to post again, i hope so and read your post about October trip and think that is grand gesture.

8)
Author:  Candy [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:56 am ]
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Don't give up Mark. In four years I have only seen one case of poisoning and I e-mailed you about that, but have heard of numerous others. You specifically asked for our experience and if it hadn't happened to Artemis recently I wouldn't have been able to reply either.

Really hope you post again.
Author:  yummy mummy [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:10 am ]
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Mark sorry you have got so upset , its someting you feel strong about . but life goes on and you have lots of resons for loving Cyprus and lots of ways to help out with the dogs. i will miss your funny post so come back Mark and help this site grow and bring ideas and friends togather.
Tricia x
Author:  Pete [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 am ]
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This is a copy of a post I added to the 'Lanate Poisoning' sticky post above: :o

I have been forwarded your email regarding lanate and would like to update you of the following:

We are the Argos Animal Rescue & Protection Association who are also one of the founding members of the 'Cyprus Voice for Animals' - this is a union of the majority of animal welfare organisations in Cyprus formed as a government pressure lobby.

On 4th September 2007, CVA delegates had a ministerial conference with the Ministers of Agriculture, Interior and Justice regarding animal welfare. This was a long awaited conference following our demonstration to ban lanate outside the Ministry of Agriculture on 22nd February 2007.

At this meeting the Minister informed us that the EU has banned lanate because it is harmful to humans and will be withdrawn from EU markets in 2009. We have been advised by the Govt. Veterinary Services that a substance has been added to lanate that makes the animals vomit. How true that is, we are not able to verify this.

However, there is a far more potent pesticide on the market called 'Furadan' - with no smell no taste and once this is ingested, the animal cannot be saved.

These pesticides should not be made available to anyone who is not licenced to use.

Rgds

Stella Stylianou
Argos Animal Welfare

So it sounds like its finally going to happen but now there is a bigger threat out there that we didn't know about, so now you have to pay extra attention when taking your pet out :shock: :shock:
Author:  KG [ Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:38 pm ]
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I can understand anyone not wanting to get involved with the press - particularly the Sunday tabloids. As anyone who has been involved with the press will know, it's like grabbing a tiger by the tail. The press has its own agenda and doesn't let facts or feelings get in the way of a story. If you want to follow that route then fine, but you shouldn't be surprised if others don't want to join your bandwagon.

Until (or unless) the bulk of Cypriot attitude to animals matches that of the bulk of British attitude, some people will see no harm in poisoning, trapping or shooting animals that are seen as pests. You won't get over that hurdle by simply banning one of a variety of pesticides that are harmful to animals if ingested.

Cyprus is still largely an agricultural country and much of the local population is either involved in, or has a relative involved in, agriculture where pesticides are legitimately used. So licensing pesticides isn't going to make any difference.
Author:  Captain Fantastic [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:56 pm ]
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Mark, I understand you're upset about the animal cruelty issue, but I think you're probably misdirecting the anger a little bit here. You need to remember we still only have a relatively small membership here on PP, and also that many are still living in the UK.

The lanate poisoning problem is something that does exist in Cyprus, but in my opinion it tends to be quite sporadic and localised in nature, rather than endemic to the whole island, which would help explain why many don't have personal experiences - I haven't personally witnessed a single incident in 4 years, the only stories I'm aware of are those I've read on forums like this one.

I also agree with previous comments about targeting channels to help - a good starting point might be to contact the press offices of established animal charities like the RSPCA - they will likely have lists of "friendly" journalists and publications who they know support their cause, and will also be able to give general ideas on helping to get attention/drum up support.

It is something that needs to be addressed, and we're happy to help you at PP in any way we can.
Author:  Tina Mason [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:00 pm ]
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Very constructive response Martin. I wholeheartedly agree with everything. There are many of us still in the UK but we are by no means unsympathetic to the cause. I hope I remain one who has not gained any personal experience as we would be devastated if we were to bring our dog over only for her to fall victim to this.
Author:  cypriotsid [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:04 pm ]
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There have been petitions also sent to euro pm's :shock:
Author:  Starchild [ Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:04 pm ]
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Martin, you have said what I thought originally.

I have to say that there are many other countries where the animal cruelty situation is much more serious. In Cyprus there is no bear bating. There are no performing monkies or orphaned gorillas whose parents have been shot to make ornaments. There is work to be done, but don't get it out of proportion. And don't bring a sensationalist tabloid into the equation. Do you really think they care? If you could get the Times, Telegraph or Independent I would take their journalist a little more seriously with his claims of wanting to help. The NOTW is only after sensationalism and stuff that may sell papers. Ruth is right. They would show Cyprus in a bad light, and that is not the issue.

The UK also has a problem with animal cruelty. The charitable organisations cannot cope, and the amount of strays is unbelievable for a nation of "animal lovers".

I do care, and I feel the same as Tina. I worried about bringing my animals across, but I have to say that apart from finding Friday by the bin when he was a day or two old, and rearing him to a healthy kitten; and seeing a boy fling a rabbit across a garden and hearing the rabbit scream - which upset me greatly - I have not been party to anything else. But to be honest, I could have seen that with some of the children that you come across in the UK.

I know my view won't be popular, but I am a realist. There is work to be done in Cyprus. But there is work to be done in the UK and many other countries where animal welfare is concerned. Getting emotional will not help any animal.

I put my energies into supporting charities who support children who have been abused. People need to be cared for too. Abused animals are easier to rehabilitate than abused humans who are often damaged for life.

Occasionally it would be good to see that people on all forums care as much for their fellow man as they seem to care for animals. But that is just my passion, and I know that we are all different.

I am not belittling Mark's intentions. We all approach things from a different viewpoint. In my job I have to remain objective. I can empathise, but if I over-sympathise I would be in bits up the corner and neither use nor ornament. I commend his intentions, but Mark - you need to toughen up. And come back. We ARE on your side.

Verity. 8)
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