Paphos People

Britain voted to Leave the EU as is its democratic right. Business should go on as usual because it is in everyone's best interests to do so

A strong Brexit is the one that suits Britain and all the other European countries and that will involve concessions on both fronts but very little real disruption to business ie they both have access to each others markets in goods and services - a hard Brexit is the one that does the most damage to all these countries,doesn't accommodate the UK's democratic decision whatsoever and maximises damage to business on both sides of the Channel

Britain leaving the EU is damaging to the EU, although no one in the EU is going to admit that.The EU has free trade deals with other countries that do not involve freedom of movement or ECJ jurisdiction (Britain's two biggest objections to the integration process and the reason Britain is becoming ever more incompatible with the EU ) There is no actual Brexit if the UK is still subject to those two elements (the so called soft Brexit)

In theory there is no logical reason why Britain cannot continue trading with Europe and there is no reason why Europe cannot continue to integrate with themselves if that's what the people of Europe want. To be honest Britain leaving should enable that process to move along even quicker if the EU is as popular with the rest of Europe as the EU would have us believe. If it's all it's cracked up to be leaving should be punishment enough surely ?

However if the integration process is being foisted on these nations by creating an unwanted political union being enforced by a currency union then that is a huge problem for the EU, because other countries will want out too if Britain succeeds (as it doubtless will if it can continue to trade with Europe and the rest of the world and operate by rules that maximise it's economic efficiency)

What the EU will want in that case is a punishment Brexit first to to try and scare the UK into staying, secondly to make it's exit as painful as possible as a "lesson" to others (this is where the totally ludicrous divorce bill comes in) That is the only way it can continue to enforce it's unwanted integration programme on other European states- which is totally unacceptable IMHO.

If the EU can strike an equitable deal with the UK that suits both Europe and the UK then I’ll re appraise my assessment of how it is going- if it doesn’t then Europeans beware because you are being drawn into a centralised, political union dominated by Germany with no way of knowing what the end product is going to be and no way of changing that project's direction (without doing what Britain has chosen to do)

What are you saying, that the Conservatives don't know how to use the internet? What a feeble argument.....

Ill-chosen advice, back-tracking, losing focus of their demographics and downright nastiness in slagging off the other parties turned a lot of people against Theresa May. On top of that, too much time spent on repetitive soundbites whilst saying absolutely nothing meaningful and far too much "me, me, me". She couldn't even tell us what was supposed to be "strong and stable" about their campaign as most of the Tory manifesto was being kept up their sleeves only to be released after what they thought was going to be a rollover.

They thought they would gain 140 seats - instead they lost 13 while Labour gained 30 plus a lot more admiration. There was nothing strong and stable about Theresa May and the conservative party is now realising that.

The conservative party and Theresa May turned their own voters against themselves.
Refusing to face the public did Theresa May no favours whatsoever, the interviews she did were like rent-a-crowd for the elite. Just a handful of carefully chosen people who wouldn't ask any awkward questions. When faced with them she struggled and resorted to parroting her meaningless phrases.



Yes, the Tories did use Social Media too! They used it to accuse Corbyn of being an IRA supporter - and then jump into bed with the DUP as they grasp those flimsy straws to try to pull themselves out of the cesspit of their own making.

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There appears to be a misapprehension I run a photography business... it's my passion as a hobby.
I sell and buy postage stamps!

Well said, that lady.

I would also seriously question "TM the PMs" physical ability.

Does she have a disability of some sort? She seems to have a problem with walking!

I know that she is an insulin dependent diabetic. Does she have any long term illnesses as a result? Too many hypos can seriously damage the body.

I also understand that she has a liking for running through wheat fields. Has she developed a gluten intolerance?

If she is suffering in any way then can she really be trusted to run the country?

Just a thought.

Some good points by Artlin, However Type 1 Diabetes is not life threatening if you follow the rules, that said if you allow your levels to falter as she might have done during the campaign, it takes a while to get them back under control. It will show and I agree with Artlin it did show, under pressure with what is going on in the conservatories and Brexit coming up you have to ask the difficult question Is she up for it.

Ok so let me get this right......'The Conservatives won...but lost ...Labour lost ....but won....the SNP won and lost in Scotland, but still won and the Conservatives won in Scotland, but lost.. .the government was Tory, but now can't be even though it is still and they need to make some Northern Irish chaps Tory, so they can be in charge, even though they were and still are...UKIP lost, but because of brexit they already won ...Independents won, but didn't win because they don't have a party, so they lost but are now MPs so they won ...the winner ( May ) is being told to resign because she didn't win and she won't because she won.'
And to top it off, Sturgeon choked on her porridge, Parliament is hung, yet they are all still alive and breathing .......
All seems perfectly straight forward to me....

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Dave
Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

Dave, I thought I was crackers but love it

A very lucid comment from Dave.
"Dave for PM" !
Can I be Secretary of Defence, please ?

Latest breaking news ..... Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill sacked from the government.

WHO????

We go to the polls to democraticily elect the MPs that we want to manage our constituency. From those MPs, individuals are selected to be ministers of various offices both junior and senior, some are chosen to be members of committees that debate and write reports about issues of interest.

That is our way of democracy.

However, above and beyond all this we have two unelected, unappointed individuals who, together with TM the PM, are actually running the country.

My flabber has never been so gasted.

I find it utterly beyond belief that these two people can be allowed to wield such power.

Nick Timothy actually refers to himself as part of the Government.

Are they even Tory party members? I doubt it.

"Why I Switched From Tories to Labour"

Gives you a bit of a feel for how folk are thinking in UK:


More comments in the article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40216240

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Busy exploring England's green & pleasant lands since May 2016 after 12yrs in Cyprus.
There appears to be a misapprehension I run a photography business... it's my passion as a hobby.
I sell and buy postage stamps!

According to the BBC Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill resigned...not sacked


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40231107

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Dave
Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

Could have been asked to resign

They resigned, they weren't sacked. Easy enough to fact check that.

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And the Oscar goes to........

If any of you ever watched those two wonderfully written sitcoms, Yes Minister or Yes Prime Minister you will all know by now that politicians do not run the country it is the civil servants that do.
MPs are merely the front so therefore are not really in any position of power to follow through on any election promises.
I cannot imagine that Mrs.May even saw that manifesto before it was announced to the media/public because if she had surely she has enough intelligence to have seen that it was a vote killer with her core voters. This expains why she went to great lengths to cover her back by saying that there would be a means tested cap for the WFA and the social care package.
She just isn't that stupid or she wouldn't be where she is today.
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't a plot to stab her in the back as the "Eton and Harrow" boys did to Maggie Thatcher.They just hate a woman doing well.
It would appear that David Davies persueded her that a snap election was a must ?
All food for thought.

Absolutely Sums it all up perfectly
Isn,t it all just an absolute load of rubbish propaganda!
One team won...the others lost!

See Alastair Campbell. Never elected as an MP but basically ran the Blair "New Labour" government.

In my opinion Gordon should have come for the cross.

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Straight talking, no Gimmicks.

Live your dreams.

Sorry Beverly but I totally disagree.

"MPs are .. not in a position of power". I think you will find that the House of Commons and the Cabinet office are the seats of power.

"She did not see the manifesto ". She, the Nick bloke and that Fiona woman plus HER HUSBAND wrote the manifesto. It was the rest of the tory party that did not see it or agree to it. That is what caused the problems.

"She just isn't that stupid" Apparently she is and it goes back to her time as Home Secretary. She was in a lot of trouble with Cameron over the attitude of that Nick bloke back then. He has already been sacked once! AND he was warned by the Met Police about accessing child pornography.

You cannot compare a BBC sitcom with reality.

What a total mess. You couldn't make it up.
I remember now why I left UK in 1969, came back 1985 due wife dying, left again for Cyprus in 2003.
Geoff.

It is the day to day living with it that drives everyone potty.

As you say, you couldn't make it up. It is beyond fantasy and make believe.

The constant media onslaught.

Cannot wait to get back to Cyprus.

Off to Spain for a few weeks in the next couple of days. Hopefully no one will comprehend " Brexit".

A bit of sanity returning to the MSM. An article by Peter Osbourne in the Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-WON.html

And there's a lot of suggested changes from the phrases contained in the article referring to the way Mrs May deals with and handles herself and her staff if she wants to carry on and be successful.....

These phrases don't exactly fill me with confidence:



It sounds like Peter Oborne isn't entirely convinced either!

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Busy exploring England's green & pleasant lands since May 2016 after 12yrs in Cyprus.
There appears to be a misapprehension I run a photography business... it's my passion as a hobby.
I sell and buy postage stamps!