Paphos People

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/02/09/co ... accinated/

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

Recently approved ruling. Para. 7.3.1 & 7.3.2

Whilst this is Good News and only right in my opinion, I still wonder if they will impose restrictions on those who choose not to get vaccinated. Of course this would be discrimination which clearly is also not allowed. I am following this with great interest as I have no wish to be vaccinated and I am opposed to being discriminated against because of my choice.
Ryanair says it does not believe a requirement for a vaccination will become commonplace, at least within the European Union, and as much as I hope this to be true I am not sure. However should anyone attempt to discriminate against me as a result of not having the vaccine I will certainly be quoting the EU ruling on Covid19 vaccines.
Is this just an EU ruling, does anyone know if the UK has such a ruling as my son in the UK also does not want the vaccine - with exceptionally good reason I might add

Well Lady L, it is obviously your choice not to get vaccinated and no one has the right to say you are wrong or right(democracy).

Some nations will eventually make it a mandatory requirement not to allow other countries citizens to enter their country unless they have been vaccinated, they will not take the risk that the virus and its variants will be imported into their country and cause the virus to spread again.

It is their democratic right to govern how they see fit, and to decide which is the best way to protect their nationals.

I also believe, as it is my democratic right that those who choose not to have the vaccine should not enter my country, to do so could put our citizens at risk, people who for medical reasons cannot have the vaccine, there are thousands that cannot, would you jeopardise their lives.

Let me start by saying I am a ‘pro-vaxer’ for many reasons but the main one being an underlying health condition that severely reduces my immune system.
Like myself, there are a lot of people with underlying health conditions that deplete their immune systems such as with Rheumatoid arthritis; Systemic lupus; (IBD); Multiple sclerosis (MS); Type 1 diabetes mellitus; Guillain-Barre syndrome and Psoriasis just to name a few.
The vaccine might be their only hope of recovering from the virus if infected.

HOWEVER

I DO NOT think that a ‘Vaccination Passport’ is the way to go.
My understanding is that:-
1. The vaccines that are currently available DO NOT stop you getting the virus. They are designed to reduce the effect of the virus in the individual and boost the immune system to fight it
2. Even when vaccinated you CAN still be infected and spread the virus

If this is the case, then a ‘Passport’ is useless.


Interesting article from MIT Medical
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/12/can-someone-who-recovered-spread-COVID19

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Folllowing on from the last posting it ironically could be that the vaccinated people end up more threatening or dangerous to others than the unvaccinated. As M.A.D. rightly said the so called vaccine does not stop one from catching the virus and passing it on, so those people who wrongly assume they have complete protection will no doubt carry on with their lives as if nothing has happened and continue spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated, whilst those who have not had the jab will live their lives more cautiously as maybe they do now! Nobody knows at this stage whether or not the virus will just disappear all by itself as did Mers, Sars, Swine flu and lots of others that humans have faced in the long distant past.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/foru ... rkWJlSHaCY

This is interesting. I've been watching this develop over the last few months and wondered whether it would be pursued in a positive way. Here's hoping!

My understanding of upto date scientific information of a few days ago

Is that the vaccines used in the uk and Israel now are being proved even after just 4 weeks after one shot....no one is covered at all after the first two weeks....as the immunity takes from weeks 3 and 4 to build

To be effective to 94% in older ages groups...that is huge!

In younger age groups eg fit nurses and drs....a vast amount who now have been vaccinated....that figure appears higher and transmission is being stopped also

The point of the vaccines ...is to eventually stop terrible illness and hospitalizations....and therefore also to stop lockdowns etc they will also help to stop not only deaths and hospitalizations ...as we are seeing now...but also stop long covid illness that are devastating and affecting the younger and fitter work age groups in our societies

The virus sadly does not swim around the world...but as we all know to our detriment and to the history of many countries now....including Australia and New Zealand ...the virus flies around the world with contagious people via planes. And so some governments are looking at flight passports to help to protect their own countries and communities from new variants ..until globally the world has been vaccinated. It is the new variants that countries are trying to hold back.

In time with a large uptake of vaccine roll out world wide ...it is hopeful that this terrible virus will be eradicated. But this is going to take time.

I am sure that in time ...all countries will form their own laws and opinions on health passports or not to be used!

We have had to be vaccinated against various diseases before arrival into many countries for many years .....so this is not a new idea

Stay safe all

Old Twister
What an interesting article. I hope these lawyers succeed and bring the perpetrators of these Crimes to Humanity to justice
I have questioned the narrative from very early on
It just amazes me how many just do not see what is happening right under our noses, though I think more and more are

I have just read in the news that Greece are going all out to attract tourists by the end of May but apparently they will require proof of vaccination rightly or wrongly. If they are looking,as I suspect, at British tourists then they are only going to get the 50+ brigade and vulnerable who will have had their 2nd jab certainly not the younger population.I also doubt very much that many of the German population will have had their 2nd jabs either by that time so if Cyprus follow suit,tourism will not recover this Summer.

Lots of young nurses, drs, carers front line workers ...who have already been vaccinated

And Boris has announced that he would like to have vaccinated as many as possible in all age groups in the uk by July ...but yes still going to be very quiet

The uk right now and parts of EU are in C bracket which I believe in the new colours codes is red

Let’s pray that this all gets more sorted as soon as possible...
and that a lot more of us here in Cyprus have been vaccinated before our doors are thrown completely wide open

My immune system is probably a bit weak at present. I am amazed to read posts from people holding similar feelings to mine. These vaccines have been produced in a bit of a rush, they seem to contain DNA altering components, short or long term side effects are not fully known and the pharmaceuticals producing them are earning vast sums of money ! I am not saying I won't get vacinnated but I would prefer to take a step back and see the bigger picture.

Very wise mouse, whilst most people seem to have the view that the elderly and vulnerable with compromised immune systems should rush out and get vaccinated, I think quite the opposite.
You have to ask yourself why would you want to get a vaccine which has only been trialed on young healthy people aged 18 to 55. As you say this vaccine has been rushed and we are a long way off knowing the longer term effects. The trials are rolling trials meaning they are being trialed at the same time as being rolled out. Phase 3 trials are 2 years away from completion......in my mind that means those who are having the vaccine right now are taking part in the trial.
The vaccines for the swine flu in 2009 proved to be completely unnecessary because it eventually turned out to be a mild flu, and never became the plague that the pharmaceutical industry said it would turn into. These vaccines also led to serious health problems. About 700 children in Europe fell incurably ill
Of course it is right we all decide for ourselves if we want the vaccine or not, but I am totally happy with my decision not to have it

I don't know Mouse if you checked out the link to the video Old Twister posted but very interesting and we'll worth watching
(Scroll further down the transcript to see the video)

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-cri ... on/5725795

Mouse I understand your concerns ....but please rest assured that there are no DNA altering components in any of these vaccines ....Oxford-AstraZeneca are not making any money at all on there vaccines ...at £3 per shot

The vaccines also have not been made in a rush....scientists where already working with SARS covid 1 vaccines for years ....which have been tweaked for SARS Covid 19- 2 ...every government globally threw all of their monies into making sure that these vaccines are safe ...and the world scientific communities got together to make sure that this global pandemic could be addressed ..all tests have been concluded full

Well over 205 million doses of the vaccines have now been administered safely

Drs , nurses and specialists in their millions have now been vaccinated
They would not be vaccinated and have their families vaccinated if they thought that these vaccines where dangerous ? Of course they wouldn,t ...and we are not talking about one or two drs taking the vaccines...but millions of them!

Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine by the way is an old fashioned made vaccine ...same as if you where getting the flu vaccine, which I have had safely yearly for the last 10 years

No live virus is put into anyone’s body

These vaccines teach your T cells how to respond against the Virus

A good person to watch for up to date, science led advice , non political , no hype and non conspiracy...is Dr John Campbell ...he talks on the covid subject...regularly around the world , he has been giving sensible video pods now for 12 months
And is looked now upon as a world leading figure on covid 19
He also features Drs, from around the world on his videos ..who again talk, non political but science based

Just one of his pod casts ...he makes one daily that are science led

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2QQTmbECQ

He does have others that explain the vaccines in depth

Alexis posted this here yesterday...again written by Drs and is very insightful

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -lose.html

Hope that you are able to build up your immune system ....Dr Molly here recommends ...vitaminn D3 , vitamin C and Zink

Stay safe , warm and well

This is another great podcast to watch if you like to understand the science behind Covid 19, the virus, treatments, vaccines

Again, no politics, no conspiracies...just the science from top people answering important covid 19 questions!
Enjoy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C7J8SPczl6w

Mouse, I understand and appreciate your concerns.

In fact I believe that any medical intervention offered is not a decision to be rushed into or just accepted, whoever who is giving the advice or whatever the available evidence. Hence I have had some lively discussions in the past but at the end of the day it was my decision to make.

I have seen and heard many eminent virologists and immunologists who have strong doubts about what you said and who are more than concerned that any serious problem from this will likely emerge at some time in the future, maybe months or even years away. You do not know the facts concerning what you said and nor do I, and in fact nor does anybody else in the world because this RNA/DNA technology has never been tried out on humans before. It has been tried out on animals and all perished once exposed to a natural virus.
I think it is totally irresponsible and reprehensible for you to make such a statement while trying to convince others of the views you seem to have accepted without question from a retired Nurse Teacher with the NHS who seems to copy the overall narrative of the NHS and of course the BBC. As he seems to have the wherewithal to produce and distribute hundreds of videos (seemingly almost every day) I wonder who pays him to do it?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB ... IBupFtBDxg

Worth watching the very short video which comes up on Campbell's link above, it clearly is the first stage of brainwashing and petrifying the public into Project Fear!

Old twister

We are going to have to beg to disagree which is perfectly fine

I have watched lots and lots of videos this last 12 months and read lots and lots of reports including all of the conspiracy ones ...as like everyone else I tried to understand what was happening in the world and what the pandemic was about

And from all of that information I have made up my own mind

I most definitely am not irresponsible at all but I find that conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers are absolutely irresponsible!

If anyone is worried about the new RNA Pfizer/ Moderna vaccines
Then why not have the Oxford-AstraZeneca or Johnson Johnson vaccines which are not RNA?

Or at least talk their fears over with their own GP,s ?

Have a nice day all

Stay safe all

migmogs you believe the vaccines have not been rushed but I believe they have. You are also wrong to say the trials are complete because they are not.

Pfizer - scroll down to where it says estimated study completion date - 31 Jan 2023

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT ... w=2&rank=1


AstraZeneca - Estimated Study Completion Date : February 14, 2023

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

So as stated in my earlier post, these vaccines are being given to the public whilst the trials are still ongoing (a rolling trial), so it is perfectly reasonable to say that all those taking the vaccine right now are part of the trials. Longer term side effects of these vaccines are simply not known yet, it is just too early to say.

There may be many nurses and doctors who have been vaccinated and believe in it whole heartedly, however has it occurred to you that some NHS workers may feel 'pressured' into taking the vaccine. NHS England have written to all of the NHS Trusts with clear instructions to vaccinate their workforce so inevitably their will be a pressure to take the vaccine
Addenbrooke's hospital in Cambridge said insufficient numbers of their employees had signed up to justify thawing a box of 1,170 Pfizer vaccines.

I also know a few nurses myself who do not want to have the vaccine and their reason is because they felt it was rushed and side effects could not yet be know

Is it possible that you are somewhat biased because your daughter works in a busy vaccine center and your sister works in a care home where the residents are vaccinated
I can appreciate that, as a carrier of an EpiPen, you have researched this topic, but if you are only looking to the likes of WHO, Public Health England, main stream media, etc, etc then your research is limited to what 'the Powers that be' wish you to know

But as I keep saying we all must make our own choice and rightly so

So, human trials carrying on until 2023. As I've said before, all those being vaccinated now are guinea pigs - part of the human trials. But it clearly is your choice, but human trial volunteers are usually paid well for the health risk they are taking!

As for what ladylibra said about nursing staff being 'pressured' into taking the vaccine, I have posted this link before in relation to how NHS staff were 'pressured' in the same way during the Swine flu pandemic and the damage it caused them.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/t ... e-was-safe

If you recall, the Swine flu fizzled out altogether despite GSK hurried to make an unsafe and untested vaccine called Pandremix which gave hundreds of people the lifelong illness of narcolepsy.

My last comment

We are never going to agree ...quite the opposite

Each to their own way of thinking
no one is being forced to do anything
Vaccinations are not mandatory ( corrected typo error)

It is quite obvious that you are both anti vaxxers

And that I am a pro-vaxxer

May the world right itself soon
Stay safe everyone

A very easy thing to suggest that, because a person believes this vaccine has been rushed out on the world before knowing the long time side effects, they must be an 'anti-vaxxer'

May the world right itself soon
If people don't start questioning the 'narrative' and reject it, the world will never be the same......I hope you will be happy when the statement 'You'll own nothing and be happy' comes to fruition !!

What a very strange post ladyLibra! I am afraid I don't understand a word of it!

That's because you haven't done research. Check out World Economic Forum - ie Davos.

I take it that was a typo --- or perhaps it is really on your wish list?

I apologize ...I have corrected my typing error

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https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6236019828001

A clue for Poppytim and others - One MSM I will take on board, Sky News Australia.

Ok people; please let’s not descend to name calling and personal insults.
Everyone has a right to an opinion whether or not you feel it’s wrong

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