Paphos People

Old Twister
I fully support your decision not to take the vaccine as neither I nor my husband will either.
We have based our decision on a lot or research and careful consideration and are totally happy with our decision
It is a rushed and untested vaccine, made using unprecedented technology, with no legal recourse should it do you harm, to treat a virus 99.8% of people will survive.
People must make their own decision but many are not doing any research at all they are just blindly going along to get it because everyone else is.
And when I hear talks of people's liberties and ability to access services being in jeopardy because they do not wish to have the vaccine.....well that just makes my blood boil

Thank you for your post, I must admit I was beginning to feel like a lone voice in the wilderness. Yes, you are correct that the survival rate is between 99.4% and 99.8% and that's only if you catch the virus and the chances of catching it are indeed very small. People should really put all this into perspective rather than be heavily influenced by the constant propaganda being pushed out by the MSM and most of the politicians. The last vaccine I had was the BCG at school when I was about 12 years old (around 1953) and have never had the 'flu jab, funnily enough I've never had 'flu either. Can't remember when I last had a cold, but I do agree with posters on here recommending maintaining a healthy immune system but I'm certainly not afraid of this virus!

And I thank you also as I too thought I was alone, well on this forum anyway.
Except I know that I am not the only one, as many of my friends share my view too. I also know of many Cypriots who don't want the vaccine and funnily enough one of them husband works at the Hospital and has said he and his family won't have it.
My young daughter in law in the UK has been offered it as she is a teacher, yet her teaching assistant said NO (her mum is a nurse). I also have another nurse friend, who has said 'No way'
Yes I agree maintaining a healthy immune system is something we should do, personally I swim in the sea every day and have done so all throughout the winter (no wet suit). There have not been many days I have missed....brilliant for your immune system
Like you, I am not afraid of the virus and I believe the chances of catching it are small and I believe if I do indeed catch it my immune system will kick in and deal with it just like it does with other illnesses.......However I am quite afraid of where the whole 'Pandemic' is taking us and I am amazed at how easily the authorities have persuaded us to 'tow the line'
You are absolutely right about main stream propaganda, what is reported on main stream media is only what they want to 'program' you to believe.....fear.....fear....and more fear, how else can they get away with controlling us in this way
Also thumbs up to you 'Old Twister' for educating yourself with UK Column News, no wonder you are switched on to what's really happening !!

I suppose you should talk to the 2.5 million peoples families who have died to date!

To those young and old people in their hundreds of thousands who have survived and who are now suffering from long covid illness!

By all means choose your own path ...

but do not call us who have also studied and researched deeply into this pandemic and vaccines that have been tried and tested rigorously scientifically

That we do not know what we are talking about and that we are being led by main stream media

How rude of you both ...to think that your intelligence is higher than ours who have researched and studied and come to a different answer!

And have made our minds up in the science before us and not media

Stay safe .... may none of your families and friends succumb to this dreadful virus and loose their lives...as some of mine have!

I'm sure you'll believe me when I say that your posts are like a breath of fresh air to me, I really thought I was alone, but I've never been hesitant when it comes to speaking out. One thing which is always pushed is about 'antibodies', the fact that you may be lucky to get them but they really don't know how long they last, maybe just months. They never mention memory T cells which provide you with years of protection from previous encounters with other cross reactive coronaviruses etc and offer a wide ranging degree of protection against any pathogen.

As far as your quote is concerned, I agree but also afraid of how this all started and what are the vested interests that are following it!

Actually migmogs I said 'many are not doing any research at all they are just blindly going along to get it because everyone else is' - there is nothing wrong with this statement because it is true. I would say that those who have decided not to have the vaccine are far more likely to have thoroughly researched it than those who have decided to have it. A survey of thousands of people asking if they were having the vaccine and their reasons for their decision, Overwhelmingly those who said NO gave explicit reasons for their decision yet those who said YES the most common reason was so they could go out and about again, and some even said they 'didn't really know why, but everyone else is'

People have to make their own choices and you have decided after your own research that it is right for you, but undeniably there is an overwhelming amount of people who are having it without any research

For those elderly/vulnerable people who have died in care homes after having the vaccine, the explanation of them being very sick people who would have died very soon anyway...... when this same explanation is given for the many covid deaths of similar elderly/vulnerable people, that same explanation is denied. You cannot have it both ways

Anyway I am not arguing with anyone who chooses to have the vaccine, we all have the right to choose for ourselves, but a choice of NO should be just as acceptable as a choice of YES and there should be no discrimination of those who say no, but you can clearly see that the powers that be intend to discriminate on those who say NO......I definitely object to that

ladylibra '...a choice of NO should be just as acceptable as a choice of YES'.

I agree with you - it is all about respecting another person.

Just because someone thinks differently to oneself does not mean that person is 'wrong' and I believe it is better to keep an open mind, particularly in an unknown situation such as this.

After much and continuing in-depth research into this subject

That I know lots of others also do

I am happy to say that I ....will be having the vaccine as soon as I can do

The same as millions of drs, specialists and nurses also have done to date!
Drs, specialists and nurses who are not media sheep and who have made highly intelligent, informed, clinical decisions

202 million people plus now globally have safely been vaccinated and have NOT died! Or had adverse long lasting reactions and long covid diseases

1760 plus people out of these 202 million people sadly have died...not at point of vaccination but after in some cases quite a few days and none of these few deaths in comparison where attributed by drs to the vaccines

As an Epi- pen carrier and a person who does go into Anaphylaxis, I am in the tiny group that really could have a bad reaction. So I really have studied this issue deeply! And I know exactly which vaccines I can and cannot be given because of my health issues as does my Cyprus GP!

For me....roll on the vaccine roll out! The sooner the better!

Each should do though what they want to do, I have always thought that, nothing should be mandatory!

How the pandemic started and where.....that’s another debate

May the world get over this terrible pandemic with the loss of as few lives as possible
And with as few maimed with long covid diseases as possible
And may the world get back safely to where we no longer need lockdowns and the crushing of people’s livelihoods from the overrunning of hospitals from seriously sick and dying people!
Those are my concerns

Stay warm, safe and well all

migmogs
As I posted in another, similar post on the topic of vaccines:

you believe the vaccines have not been rushed but I believe they have. You are also wrong to say the trials are complete because they are not.

Pfizer - scroll down to where it says estimated study completion date - 31 Jan 2023

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT ... w=2&rank=1


AstraZeneca - Estimated Study Completion Date : February 14, 2023

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

So as stated in an earlier post, these vaccines are being given to the public whilst the trials are still ongoing (a rolling trial), so it is perfectly reasonable to say that all those taking the vaccine right now are part of the trials. Longer term side effects of these vaccines are simply not known yet, it is just too early to say.

You say; Drs, specialists and nurses who are not media sheep and who have made highly intelligent, informed, clinical decisions -

I beg to differ that 'media sheep' do not exist in the medical profession and whilst I am certainly not suggesting that any doctor or nurse who has the vaccine is merely a 'media sheep', do not for one minute believe there are no 'sheep' in the medical profession
There may be many nurses and doctors who have been vaccinated and believe in it whole heartedly, however has it occurred to you that some NHS workers may feel 'pressured' into taking the vaccine. NHS England have written to all of the NHS Trusts with clear instructions to vaccinate their workforce so inevitably there will be a pressure to take the vaccine
And do you not think some may have been vaccinated for fear of 'losing their jobs'.....the same as if they dare to speak out about anything they see or hear which does not 'sound right'
Addenbrooke's hospital in Cambridge said insufficient numbers of their employees had signed up to justify thawing a box of 1,170 Pfizer vaccines, so clearly not all NHS workers are giving the vaccine the 'thumbs up'
I also know a few nurses myself who do not want to have the vaccine and their reason is because they felt it was rushed and side effects could not yet be know

Is it possible that you are somewhat biased because your daughter works in a busy vaccine center and your sister works in a care home where the residents are vaccinated

You say: After much and continuing in-depth research into this subject

I can appreciate that, as a carrier of an EpiPen, you have researched this topic thoroughly, but if you are only looking to the likes of WHO, Public Health England, main stream 'puppet media', etc, etc then your research is limited to what 'the Powers that be' wish you to know and hence your research may be 'many hours worth' of research (I don't doubt that for one minute) but is it unbiased research?.....that's doubtful.

But as I keep saying we all must make our own choice and rightly so

Sadly those people who consider themselves heroes and doing the right thing by refusing the vaccine are the same as people who believe in mediums and fortune telling, but with one little difference.

Going to see a medium only affects you. Refusing a vaccine potentially affects everyone around you and everyone that you come in contact with.

Can't wait to get mine and for vaccination passports to be introduced and enforced on public transport and planes, so that the sensible ones among us can travel in safety without worrying about how many people near you have refused to make themselves and everyone else safe.

I'm sorry but this pandemic and the need to get on top of it outweighs the thoughts of anyone who says it isn't necessary.

Effsie
I've never seen such ill informed condescending rubbish on a forum before (except perhaps on Facebook). Congratulations!

Sorry, but those spouting rubbish are the conspiracy theorists and those that think it is acceptable to refuse the vaccination.

For most things, yes, people should have an individual choice, but in this case you need to do what is best for the population in general as well as yourself and get vaccinated.

By taking the action that you are, you are putting yourself and everyone else at risk. I fail to understand why you cannot see that.

I am not spouting ill informed rubbish. I am reading everything that I can. Sadly you seem to be merely reading and quoting the ridiculous theories that suit your argument.

I am also staggered that you seem to believe that those people who are taking this seriously and getting vaccinated are the ones in the wrong. Astonishing.

Migmogs:

'As an Epi- pen carrier and a person who does go into Anaphylaxis, I am in the tiny group that really could have a bad reaction. So I really have studied this issue deeply! And I know exactly which vaccines I can and cannot be given because of my health issues as does my Cyprus GP!'

I believe you should be discussing this at a higher level than your Cyprus GP (Personal Doctor) - at the very least a Pneumologist and an Allergologist should be working together and advising you.

Anaphylactic reactions can range from mild to life-threatening. An epipen only gives me an extra 15-20 minutes to get proper medical treatment so I have had to learn how to manage my allergies but even so have been hospitalised a few times over the years due to the severity of the anaphylactic reaction, one of which took just under three months to recover from and did have life changing consequences.

It is good that you know what is right for you, but it is not necessarily right for everyone else!

Nowhere have I ever said that those persons are in the wrong, it is everbody's own choice to decide either way and it is not for people who hold your views to talk in a discriminatory manner. I do however think those who take the 'vaccine' are misguided either by their own failure to comprehend what is honestly and professionally said outside of governments edicts or frankly haven't bothered to check.
Let me make my position perfectly clear, I am of the older age group that would be considered 'vulnerable' if I had other health problems which I thankfully don't have. I also consider I have a healthy immune system which I continue to maintain at that healthy and effective level. I, like most people, stand a very small risk indeed of catching the virus which would in any event hopefully be of a minor nature, but in the unlikely event that I do catch the virus I have between a 99.4% and a 99.7% chance of making a full recovery. So why should I have an unecessary potentially unsafe 'vaccine'. Frankly, I am not at all fearful of catching the virus but I would certainly be fearful of the possibility of lifechanging long term side effects occuring at any time during the rest of my life, especially having joined the human trials part of the way through their precedure with more than two years left to run, particularly the mRNA 'vaccines' which are, by their nature, an experimental procedure never ever been tried on humans before but where some animal trials which were carried out were devastating in the extreme.
It is everybody's responsibility to look after their own well being, not to change their life and deeply held opinions to protect others who really have nothing to fear other than their own fear which has been forced on them by the actions of the State.

Effsie
For most things, yes, people should have an individual choice, but in this case you need to do what is best for the population in general as well as yourself and get vaccinated.

So you are promoting Mandatory Vaccinations then? And no doubt believe that those who choose not to be vaccinated (for whatever reason) should be discriminated against


By taking the action that you are, you are putting yourself and everyone else at risk. I fail to understand why you cannot see that

It just shows how ill informed you are because having the vaccine does not stop you from catching covid and nor does it stop you from transmitting it. Someone who is vaccinated and has no symptoms of illness may be carrying the live SARS-CoV-2 virus and spreading it to others when they cough, breath or sneeze. So explain to me how that makes me who has not been vaccinated more of a risk to others than you are who has been vaccinated.

I am also staggered that you seem to believe that those people who are taking this seriously and getting vaccinated are the ones in the wrong. Astonishing.

I have not suggested anyone who gets vaccinated is in the wrong. I have stated we all need to make our own decisions on this. However you clearly have an issue with my decision and seem to think I should get vaccinated because you are. Would you like to sign the consent form and accept liability for me should I have any serious adverse reactions......of course not, even the vaccine companies have immunity from being sued.

I am not spouting ill informed rubbish. I am reading everything that I can. Sadly you seem to be merely reading and quoting the ridiculous theories that suit your argument.

Sorry, but you are spouting ill informed rubbish. What is this 'everything' that you are reading. I doubt you have read the theories of Reiner Fuellmich ( the German trial lawyer who helped bring to justice fraudulent corporations such as Deutsche Bank and Volkswagen). He is part of the investigative team investigating this 'Corona Crisis' which he believes must be renamed a “Corona Scandal” and believes those responsible for it must be criminally prosecuted and sued for civil damages.

The transcript and the video (found if you scroll further down the page) can be found here

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-cri ... on/5725795

And back to the topic of the vaccine itself - It is a rushed and untested vaccine, made using unprecedented technology, with no legal recourse should it do you harm, to treat a virus 99.8% of people will survive. I have therefore asked myself if I need to take that risk and decided the answer is NO, but if the answer for you is YES, then that is absolutely fine

Thank you very much for your concerns it is very kind of you

And I am sorry to hear of your own issues with anaphylaxis

I quite agree that everyone is different and we all need to talk to our GP,s as is needed when we have issues with anaphylaxis and epi pens

My own last attack of illness took me 18 months to recover from on heavy medications and I take medications daily to control my illness

I have talked this through with my GP here ...I have had no reactions from the yearly flu vaccines and the once in a life time Pneumonia jab that I had in the uk ...and I am not allergic to medications...I am also aware that a reaction can take many hours to happen ...not just the 15 - 30 minutes after vaccination...and that my epi pens are a tool to use to get me to hospital for assistance

As a person with autoimmune illnesses ...I believe that it would be worse for me to catch the covid virus than for me to get protection from The Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine

I will though approach my GP again and ask their advice

Thank you once again for your concern

I am not a 'flat earther' as some people might think, but in your situation I have to say I would probably make the same decision as you. I certainly would avoid the mRNA jabs though.

Thank you ....I have already been told that I cannot have the mRNA vaccines

Hence I will be looking at booking the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine when my turn comes around

Stay safe all

I'm not sure what you mean about being discriminated against, but if you are saying that in the event of the introduction of vaccination passports to enter public planes, planes, buses etc then, obviously, those who don't have the paperwork can't have access to those things.


It would seem that people who are having the vaccination are doing it for their own health but also to help protect the population in general. Refusal just shows selfishness.

It is clear that we will never agree on this so I will not be commenting further. I shall, however, be having my vaccination as soon as possible and applaud all other who are taking action for the benefit of everyone.

Have a good weekend.

Effsie
I do not know where you are doing your research because you clearly are not clued up

Refusal just shows selfishness

Selfish to who.........myself? Do you not understand that once a person is vaccinated it does not stop them from getting covid and nor does it stop them from transmitting the virus to others. This means that you, as a vaccinated person, can transmit the virus to others just as I can having not being vaccinated.....so no difference in transmission between vaccinated and un-vaccinated. For this reason they say mask wearing and social distancing is still required once vaccinated.

I'm not sure what you mean about being discriminated against, but if you are saying that in the event of the introduction of vaccination passports to enter public planes, planes, buses etc then, obviously, those who don't have the paperwork can't have access to those things.

So you do want to see discrimination then against those who don't have the vaccine. Don't you realise that as per Covid-19 vaccines: ethical, legal and practical considerations (resolution 2361) this is unlawful:

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

Also Human Rights legislation opposes mandatory vaccination and discrimination against it

It would seem that people who are having the vaccination are doing it for their own health but also to help protect the population in general. Refusal just shows selfishness.

Perhaps you ought to tell the families of those who have already had adverse reactions (including death) and have decided not to get vaccinated as a result that they are selfish:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/nurse-wi ... CjH8Z.html

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

Since everyone is entitled to know what side effects there could be with a heavily promoted vaccine, this is the official list of possible side effects. This is not my list but a draft list compiled by the FDA – the Food and Drug Administration in the US.

Guillain-Barre syndrome
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis
Myelitis
Encephalomyelitis
Meningoencephalitis
Meningitis
Encephalopathy
Convulsions
Seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy
Cataplexy
Anaphylaxis
Acute myocardial infarction (heart attack)
Myocarditis
Pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Death
Pregnancy, Birth outcomes
Other acute demyelinating diseases
Non anaphylactic allergy reactions
Thromocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Arthritis
Arthralgia
Joint pain
Kawasaki disease
Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children
Vaccine enhanced disease

Just as those who have the vaccine say they are doing it for their own health, those who choose not to are doing so for the exact same reason. They have weighed up the notion of having rushed and untested vaccine, made using unprecedented technology, with no legal recourse should it do them harm, to treat a virus 99.8% of people will survive. I would rather not take the risk of this vaccine when my chances of becoming seriously ill from covid is extremely low, I would much rather rely on my own immune system to do the working of fighting off the virus. I have no problem in anyone weighing up their own risks and deciding it is right for them.......just don't expect my decision to be the same as yours. As for the suggestion it is selfish for me to make that decision I have covered that above - Vaccinated people can still transmit the virus

It is clear that we will never agree on this so I will not be commenting further. I shall, however, be having my vaccination as soon as possible and applaud all other who are taking action for the benefit of everyone.

Have your vaccination by all means it is your choice, just don't discriminate those who do not as that is their choice too, so just respect it......It is not for the benefit of others as vaccinated people can still transmit

No medicine is safe 100%
And so yes will carry possible side effects !

Similar lists are around for flu jabs and medicines of all descriptions including paracetamol and aspirin

Please read Paracetamol lists!
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/paracetamol-side-effects.html

so from your way of reasoning ...we no longer should treat cancers, heart disease, lung disease, diabetes , yellow fever, Ebola, HIV, small pox, TB, Polio etc etc etc
Because of the contraindication lists that appear for all of the drugs used!

I have just had surgery where I had to be ventilated ...being ventilated hurt my lungs where I have needed a course of antibiotics to clear ...but without the ventilator and operation...I could have died! So from your way of thinking...I should have not had surgery or ventilation because of the risks!

All medicines and vaccines used in these terrible illnesses can and do have side effects!

What we all have to do and what government health officials do is to rigorously look in depth at all of the pros and cons of every medicine used

Which is what has been done with the vaccines by health departments of the uk and all world states

What we do know...is that out of the 212 million plus doses so far given of the covid vaccines
Very few have had any serious reactions!

The pros far outway the cons

But above is a typical anti vaxxers fear mongering post! ( amended )

migmogs
You are completely missing the point. I am not saying people should not have the vaccine I am advocating each person has the right to choose for themselves what is right for them.

You say 'What we all have to do is to way up the pros and cons of every medicine used' - yes I agree and that is exactly what I have done, but because I have decided it is not right for me, Effsie says that make me selfish. I take great objection to that as I do not consider myself selfish at all. Why should my decision be wrong but a decision to have it is right. Respect my decision.

You say - 'The pros far outway the cons' - For you and anyone else who believes this then that is perfectly fine.....but for me the pros of not having outweigh the cons. And surely I am entitled to this viewpoint

But this is a typical pro vaxxers fear mongering post! - I presume you meant ant-vaxxer

By the way have you or Effsie actually had anyone close to you - family or friend - who has had a life-changing adverse reaction to a vaccine......I bet you haven't

You are correct anti vaxxers ...I have amended my post thank you

And no ....... of all of my very many friends and family who have now had the vaccines both Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer which is what we are talking about

None have had life changing reactions at all

But I have had family and friends who have tragically died from this covid 19 virus!

My husband and myself have been shielding and isolating from friends and family now since last March...we need our lives back ...and to see our family and friends again safely...we would also like to see Cyprus open up again and the rest of the world with no more lock downs, children back in schools.
And to see our very many business friends and family be able to get back to work...and to be able to open up their businesses fully again!

I meant adverse life changing reaction to a vaccine (meaning any vaccine) not necessarily the covid vaccine

None have had life changing reactions at all - if you mean to the Covid vaccine, it is just too early to say. Sadly adverse reactions to a vaccine do not necessarily present themselves immediately.

Sadly If you had seen a life changing reaction to a vaccine, then maybe you would have a different opinion

I am absolutely sorry that you have seen life changing reactions to a vaccine
All adverse reactions to medications and vaccines are horrible and tragic to see
And as I said all pros and cons are looked at in depth by senior government health authorities

Contraindications should not stop the world dealing with a world pandemic though

over 2.5 million people have died to date...and this figure is still growing...people are being left with long covid dreadful illness ..people who may never work again....besides those who have tragically died

I appreciate that some of the contraindications could arrive later in time...sadly this is what could happen with all medicines!

Which is why we have to trust and listen to our health governing bodies!

Migmogs
It does sound like you and your husband have had a terrible year shielding. It also sounds like you have some serious health issues and therefore this Pandemic has proved very scary for you, I appreciate that.

But my reasons for not wanting the vaccine are right for me just as yours reasons for wanting it are right for you. I do not consider myself irresponsible or selfish for not having it.

This has affected many people's lives in a terrible way, no one has got away unscathed

I really wish I could share your sentiment in trusting the Governments. Sadly I don't, as I believe this is a Corona Virus Scandel and I hope the German Lawyer leading the Investigation brings those guilty to justice. I think he is right when he says it has been one of the biggest crimes against humanity and it isn't even over

Dear Lady Libra I wish you well
And your choice is your own choice ..which is acknowledged
I also wish that in time that who ever or what ever caused this pandemic is brought to task, we do not all believe that someone eating a bat from a Wuhan wet market caused this pandemic .....but that is another subject!

But for right now

The little people at grass roots matter to me

My heart actually goes right now in Cyprus
To all of those individuals and families and there now are so many!
Who cannot buy food and essentials and have no electricity to survive daily

Places like Chalkies Kitchen which are not a charity and are not government run but run by the very thoughtful and kind bar owner, his very caring staff, the generosity of the community, kindness and volunteers and kind businesses here in Cyprus
They have provided almost 18,000 hot meals to these people, families who have children and are out of work and who are so desperate here in Paphos, yet they also say that they know by how many that they have to turn away ....that many are not being fed and that these people are very hungry and in need of help....this is the tragedy!

One hot meal a day! Not two ...one! And these people and children are so hungry and so grateful!

These people cannot afford food, toilet paper, tooth brushes, tooth paste, baby milk, nappies, shampoo, sanitary wear etc etc all the things that we take for granted in a daily basis

This pandemic needs to be stopped!

These people need to be able once more to be able to go back to work ...because they are the workers who have lost their incomes because of this pandemic...they are not lazy...they have no jobs!

Vaccines will stop this pandemic...these vaccines will shield in a great way the very at risk and elderly from going into hospital and dying so that economies can open up again!
They will stop the number growing of younger people suffering from long covid who can no longer work

As a holiday island ...we are at risk from the virus and it,s variants from being flown in...yet we need the tourists to create the jobs!

We need to as a people of this holiday island to be able to protect as many of our communities as we can...so that we can safely open up again and normal people who are struggling right now to exist day to day ...can get back to work once again!

That is what everyone getting vaccinated means to me

Countries, communities and workers able to get back to normality without the risk of the virus causing yet more deaths, sickness, the over running of hospitals and absolute misery from ever more lockdowns leaving more and more people destitute!

Stay safe all

If people had continued to respect the various lockdown measures as they did at the beginning of last year then Cyprus would not be in the situation we face today.

There is also the likelihood of even more complacency by individuals that have had the vaccination.

I believe it was the famous Dr Fauci himself who authored the papers in 2005 and 2008 stating that both the majority of deaths during the great Spanish Flu epidemic actually occurred from pneumonia being a result of wearing protective masks, and later also that he didn't believe that lockdowns could stop the movement of a virus and it should be allowed to pass while attempting to alleviate the effects of the virus.

The vax won't stop you getting or spreading this or any other virus, it may merely help you recover a little quicker from it.

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Straight talking, no Gimmicks.

Live your dreams.

Sadly for those who believe the vaccine is our road to freedom will be in for a surprise. If you believe that once we have all been vaccinated we will once again be able to 'get back to normal' I don't share your sentiment. They will insist that some level of social distancing and mask wearing is necessary saying that even if vaccinated you can still catch and transmit the virus. Then there will be new, far more lethal variants for which the current vaccine offers little protection......so back to the drawing board to work on a new vaccine which can protect you against this new terrible variant.....oh and in the meantime we had better lock you down again ( of course with the narrative that it is to keep you safe as the government cares about you).....oh and close your businesses again people..... repeat...repeat....repeat......until you own absolutely nothing that you have worked so hard for and you will be relying on the Government for your paycheck, providing of course you tow the line. Of course if you don't your credit score will be downgraded, resulting in less privileges...
Wake up people this is the Great Reset.......'You will own nothing but you will be happy'!!

So does that mean the not having the vaccine will make you immuned from becoming bankrupt?

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Dave

I am saying everyone needs to realise the Agenda and stand together to put a stop to the Corona Scandel which The German Corona Investigative Committee are trying to do:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-cri ... on/5725795

Since you ask 'So does that mean the not having the vaccine will make you immuned from becoming bankrupt?'

Yes, if we stood up together in our masses and said NO to these Draconian controls and PCR testing ( which the whole lockdown and social distancing controls are based upon) we would have returned to normality much sooner and our businesses, livelihoods and overall wealth could avoid destruction

ladyLibra not sure if you have really researched this issue as thoroughly as you say you have as new data suggests that having the vaccine may stop you spreading it. It is early days but findings are very encouraging and of course as you are aware the vaccine prevents serious illness and hospitalisation in the vast majority of cases. As you must also be aware many people who have the virus are asymptomatic so they can infect many others unknowingly,therefore without vaccination the virus will continue to spread and thus mutate. In the UK both Professor Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van Tam are both so knowledgeable and excellent at providing clear facts so you might like to Google them?

Interesting, have you by any chance been to any of the anti lockdown protests in Cyprus?

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Dave

I'm sorry, but to make a statement like that leads you wide open to criticism, but it won't be me that starts it! In my opinion they are a major part of the problem - not of the solution!

Oh I forgot......
you are a highly acclaimed professor and font of all information and knowledge from you tube Old Twister

Poppytim
I most certainly have researched this extremely thoroughly
The trouble is you are just looking at main stream propaganda Media and you will never find the truth there, so will never get to grips with what is happening

You say : In the UK both Professor Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van Tam are both so knowledgeable and excellent at providing clear facts so you might like to Google them?

Sorry I will pass on that. Both these two have come under much scrutiny and have diverged from the Government line many times

However your reliable Mr Van-Tam did say this last week:

England’s deputy chief medical officer, Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, said that even after having two doses “you may still give Covid to someone else”.

Do yourself a favour and steer away from main stream media if you want to know something closer to the truth

Try UK Column News

Don't be snide ladylibra it really does not become you!
Did I say it was proven that the vaccine stopped transmission? No I did not!
Did I say reliable new data is showing that the vaccine could prevent transmission - Yes I did!
You have no idea where I look for my information. I can tell you that having been shielding for the last 12 months I have found many many facts and information about Covid and the vaccine.
It appears that you have followed my advice and googled Professor Van Tam unless you already follow him? Both he and Professor Chris Whitty are highly respected Professors who do indeed often hold the UK Government to account.
I may be presumptious but it appears that you are British living in Cyprus - if this is the case and you have family back in the UK that you visit or they visit you maybe you would feel differently if not having the vaccine prevented this? Myself I am not too sure about vaccine passports - yet to be convinced one way or the other but regardless of what I think I believe they probably will be the future at least in the short term.

No I am not but I do seek out truthful and reliable information from medical professionals who have no threats of speaking out against the governments narrative. I don't get my daily dose of propaganda from a retired Nurse Teacher who is paid for by ......... who knows!

No I certainly don't follow Professor Van Tam and Chris Whitty but I have read many an article on their scutiny. They have caused more problems than solutions in my opinion

Yes I do indeed have family in the UK and am very concerned over the possibility of Vaccine Passports and any discrimination for not having the Vaccine. Even though legalisation states it cannot be mandatory and there must be no discrimination I fear they will find a way. Lets face it a year ago no one would have believed we would be obeying the ridiculous rules that we seem to have accepted

I do have empathy for anyone who has health issues meaning they have to shield. But when did we ever isolate healthy people, when did we ever test people if they are not sick
Why not shield the vulnerable and let those low risk groups keep the economy going......when there is no sense to measures there has to be a reason....and there is !

Interesting! Are you by chance the same Uncle D who stepped so low as to call a person on the other Paphos forum a 'Leper' for having similar views to mine? It was only a couple of weeks ago and I remember it so clearly as it shocked me that someone could make such a despicable comment and be so insulting and, frankly, stupid. But then I suppose you will naturally think of me as a leper too!

I would never dream of putting down Professor Whitty...I know that I am not as clever!

A dedicated Professor and Dr I might add that tirelessly gave up his time and worked the covid wards over the Christmas holidays. So that he could help to save covid patients lives and work at the side of his exhausted colleagues drs and nurses

A professor who knows his subject not from a political view
But from science as a Dr and Professor of the human body that he has studied many years to acquire

Professor Chris Witty gets my full respect!

You won't get far with that suggestion on here ladylibre, I suggested just that earlier last year and it went down like a lead balloon! With Hindsight, it's exactly what Sweden did and they have similar deaths (per million of population) as other EU countries, never had lockdowns, didn't destroy their economy and probably most people have kept their jobs throughout and from recent videos it appears that the country is back to normal, although it was probably like that all the time.

news from Sweden

Who have the highest deaths rate in the Nordic countries

Who have now locked their borders and who are looking at a digital health passport system

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/e ... -1.4477259

Yes, this is true Old Twister, my friends son and Grandkids live in Sweden and I know her son has worked throughout. I get regular briefings from her regarding Sweden. In fact this graph shows countries who have had no lockdowns have not faired any worse than those who have had lockdowns...in fact better



Lockdown: A police constable's perspective

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/lockdo ... erspective

What is really sad is your non understanding about what lockdowns are about

Lockdowns are used to control the spread of the virus numbers, to make sure that hospitals do not get over run and people then sadly die because of lack of hospital care.

Well spotted, who would have thought that someone might use the same avatar on Paphos People as on Cyprus Living.
I wrote that the person may become a social leper by refusing the vaccine.
As for making a despicable comment, unlike you I didnt get banned from that site.

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We have to respect Old Twister & Ladylibra's opinions, like most on here we will always have different views and that is okay but what I would like to ask a question I would be grateful for their sensible responses.

You disagree with the vaccine (your choice), so please let us know what you views are.

1. How would you resolve this world crisis where millions have died.
2. Would you not accept that something is better than nothing.

Finally to help you understand why some vaccines are rushed, rightly or wrongly which saves lives.

What would you say to those that invented Penicillin, in 1942 that was rushed so that it could treat WW2 soldiers, I am allergic to that drug but would not belittle it.