Paphos People

https://thehighwire.com/videos/a-coming ... tastrophe/

Now here we have a real dichotomy, I am posting a particularly important video released last night on a world famous ANTI-VAXXERS live video programme where he wholeheartedly supports the very concerning views expressed by one of the world's prominant PRO-VAXXERS.

All will become clear when you have watched it, mainly the views being expressed by the world renowned vaxxine designer, planner etc. which I find very threatening, and I have to admit for the first time that I am now concerned about the future of this virus! One thing is for sure, it has definately reinforced my view not to have the vaccine. Your views would be appreciated.

Well I am the same as you Old Twister, it's just further confirmation for me to not have the vaccine. If someone who is very
pro-vaccine and believes this mass vaccination is the wrong thing to do, if that doesn't make anyone at least have a re-think then quite frankly nothing will. I think most people miss the point that this is not a 'fully approved' vaccine, it has 'emergency use' authorisation only and there's a big difference.
It's also very interesting that Oxford-AstraZeneca's clinical trials were carried out across the UK, Brazil, and South Africa - now we have the UK, Brazil and South African variant......are these vaccinated people responsible for shedding these new strains?
I believe we will eventually see the impact of this mass vaccination further down the line, when we have a lot of people with very poor innate immune systems as their natural killer cells (NK) stop responding. I am more than comfortable with my own bodies innate immune system to do the job

I watched not the video you posted old Twister ...because I hate American hype and over dramatized overkill.

But I watched the video directly from Dr Bossche Twitter account
Without any of the dramatics ....thinking that I am thick and need super hyped explanations!

I also read his letter to WHO and read his scientific paper that he has sent in to many top government scientists.

What I heard was a very concerned excellent virologist who gives an excellent, concerned emotional argument against for now mass vaccinations

He is not against the vaccinations per se ...which he says are excellently made
And in fact do a great job at stopping people going into hospital and dying

But he is against vaccinating against the covid 19 virus in a pandemic by the millions and vaccinating young healthy people

Because in simple terms and correct me if I have heard him incorrectly

By vaccinating right now and making people more asymptomatic through vaccination of millions... as they shed the virus globally...you can cause the virus to mutate into stronger and stronger mutations...his fear is that the virus could then outstrip the vaccines...the same as super bugs have outstripped anti biotics

His concerns are also that the vaccines could out weigh all human natural responses to covid 19 virus attacks ...which are very real ....and which as a planet we are all fighting right now...these responses which we all have within us...especially healthy people ...to fight infections

He didn,t agree with lockdowns...not because of control issues....but because he says the virus should be moving between peoples ..for a more natural herd immunity ...and he saw and recognized the great need for older and more vulnerable of all countries to be isolated...whilst herd immunity is built

He does not deny that we are in a serious pandemic...but for him vaccinations for now ...are not the way out of it.
And he does not say how many millions more are going to die without any interventions ....as hospitals become over run...which is as he says how governments are trying to deal with the situation right now. They are dammed if they do and dammed if don,t...how many attacks did the uk government receive for not locking down sooner at the first wave?

What he doesn’t answer for me...is in Brazil ...where very few have been vaccinated..and there is no vaccine roll out and there are no lockdowns .....the virus in it,s natural mutations... is now out of control and is spreading and naturally mutating to ever greater and stronger variants amongst people with their own human responses...at speed and killing now more than 2000 people daily! A shocking situation

Same happened in the uk, Ireland, Portugal and Estonia and other countries before vaccine roll outs!

Viruses naturally mutate as he says!

I like that he has scientifically asked his questions...and concerns to the scientific community and that this Dr is scientific based and not of the conspiracy brigade from what I have learned and read about him so far. He only gave out his concerns a couple of days ago

I am waiting and will watch with interest what other scientists will come back and say as to his well thought out concerns ...as is also said in this interview...we as humanity are learning as we are going along ...the last 12 months has been a huge learning curve.

I understand his roll out of vaccines during the height of infections concerns ...but what other answer ..other than many many more millions dying globally is the answer!

As like it or not...lockdowns have also saved millions of lives because hospitals have not been over ridden!

I will now wait for answers to his concerns from the scientific world! As his concerns are peer reviewed which they are not at the moment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9PdZn_Yd5w

I have just come across this video of the same scientist, but it is longer and in more detail. It has no "American" context as it is transmitted from Australia, but I suspect on both videos he is talking via zoom from his home in Belgium. It takes a couple of minutes to start.

He is indeed stating that lock downs are not the answer. He really is stating what many have said over the last year that we should isolate the vulnerable and allow the continued movement of the rest of society in order to acquire herd immunity. Boris initially wanted to apply the herd immunity principal but was heavily criticised and more or less told to back track.
I am deeply concerned about mass vaccination and believe if continued this will become a catastrophe. I truly hope that the WHO and top government scientists will take notice of Geert Vanden Bossche, before we have otherwise perfectly healthy people with compromised innate immunity

I clearly remember during the Summer last year I strongly expressed my view on this forum about the need to aquire natural herd immunity whilst protecting older and vulnerable people but I was roundly ridiculed on here for expressing such a view. It obviously was the governments 'scientific' view to lock everybody down while vaccines were developed so the vaccines, when they were rolled out, would be able to create that artificial herd immunity. Clearly it didn't work 1) because the vaccines were totally unable to kill the virus and 2) the virus was going to mutate to such a degree that even the vaccines could not have done such a good job as one's natural immune system.

I really think some people have absolutely no idea what 'conspiracy theorists' mean. I have seen similar views as Geert's expressed over the past many months on the internet by many with sound medical knowledge, maybe not with such convincing theory, but such people are immediately classified as conspiracy theorists merely because they don't go along with the government narrative. The present trend of 'cancel culture' seems even to extend to people, often highly qualified people, who dare to express a different viewpoint to that of the 'wonderful' Sage team.

I think it is wonderful that someone with Geert's knowledge and speciality should 'come out' in the way he has done, but I do wonder why he left it so very late!

Finally, if I had not seen the first video from what some call a conspiracy theorist (certainly an anti-vaxxer) nobody on here would probably have ever had the opportunity to see Geert's warnings, which goes a very long way to suggest you should always get your information from the widest field possible.

One further point concerning the second video (which I recommend watching right to the end) for the people who don't watch it to the end, just after 1.32 minutes Geert is asked if anybody in the community should still now get a vaccine and he clearly says 'NO'. But, as we have always said it is every person's choice, but it must only be done on the basis of 'informed consent'.

Well I was doing great on your next video OT

Until we came to him promoting his own NK technology vaccine that he is working on as the way to eradicate the situation that we are now in...a technology that is not as yet accepted by his peers ....but of course he does not have the money or his peers to help him to bring his new NK technology vaccine to the help of this pandemic.
A technology that has not been peer reviewed or indeed been trialed ...as he thinks that his NK vaccine will be the savior in this pandemic!
Note the words his own designed NK VACCINES! So he would have been fine to have promoted to the world his own vaccine technology!

And also his skipping over how the Brazil variant was indeed formed out in anIndigenous area of Brazil and nothing to do with vaccines!

ooops! Left me cold!

As said before...he has written and sent his hypothesis to many top scientists to review... I will await peer review from world renowned scientists of this drs own personal opinions

Thank you for letting me take a look ...for now I am not a believer in his personal ideas
You had me there for a minute ...but I see yet again, until proven wrong ...yet another conspiracy theory

The world sadly is in a terrible situation that lots of eminent scientists are working on together globally to help eradicate this virus...may they all find a solution for us all soon...with the least amount of lives lost!

Stay safe all

Why do you take this so personally and put yourself on a pedestal thinking I'm directing all my posts to you? Nothing could be further from the truth. This is a public forum and I post for the public's interest, and how you manage to now regard this as conspiracy theory is in my mind simply perverse!

I was just responding to what you had posted OT ...nothing personal at all
You actually said in opening post ...”your views would be appreciated”
I watched both videos in full and have given my own thoughts ...same as other posters have.
As you correctly say ...this is a public forum of which I am a member also!
So yes I watched both of your videos and then commented and thanked you for letting me watch them...as without you posting them here ...I wouldn’t have watched them!

As said before....I will await the peer reviews to the many places that this Dr has sent his very interesting hypothesis

Have a great day
And stay safe

I'm afraid any view which strays away from the general narrative is viewed by many as just 'conspiracy'. Personally I see nothing wrong with an inquisitive mind, but not everyone is the same and that is accepted.
There was no mass vaccination for SARS-CoV-1 in 2002 and Ebola in 2013 and both died on their own
Interestingly (to say the least) the WHO lowered the criteria of calling a Pandemic not long before this Pandemic!

So how am I expected to interpret "thank you for letting me take a look . . . . . . YOU HAD ME THERE FOR A MINUTE" if that is not personal to me?
Also above you said you watched both videos in full but in your first post you said you did not watch the first video because of some 'hang-up' with an American even though he was not the interviewer.

Please ...I do not want to argue with you OT
I said that I looked up that original interview that you posted ...on the drs own Twitter account.
And I watched it in full without any American Hype interruptions ...I actually as you will read ...found that first video very interesting ...and commentated on it..it had given me thoughts to think about
But I needed to see peer and scientific review and proof

Then I watched the second video ...where his argument all unravelled for me!

I still await peer and scientific findings on this drs hypothesis

What is so worrying is that people could stop their vaccinations ..or feel worried that they had been already vaccinated ..or worried that their children working on the front line had been vaccinated ....because of ...as yet this drs unfounded personal reasoning.

Because non of what he has said has been peer reviewed or scientifically proven!

What can I possibly do than bow to the obvious superior knowledge you have when compared to a lifelong vaccinology specialist like Geert Venden Bossche Phd DVM.

Actually OT ...

I am bowing to the Peer and Scientific review community that will review Geert Venden Bossche hypothesis hopefully soon!

I have said that all along

Until then ...what has been said is his own personal hypothesis!

https://focusmalaysia.my/opinion/expert ... ccination/

Another interesting and relevant article for anybody that may be interested.

https://dryburgh.com/wp-content/uploads ... wbYkPg0_i4

If anyone wants to read Geert's written submissions sent to every health minister throughout the world it is in the above link.

It's somewhat ironic that people not vaccinated could be in mortal danger from the vaccinated, rather that the other way round!

Perhaps we need to isolate and lock down all those who have been vaccinated as they become the new super spreaders !!
I'm fed up with criticism for not wanting the vaccine (with good reason).

On a serious note though, I think people should read this manuscript (yes it's a bit technical and long) and watch Geerts interview......I am much more concerned than I was initially because I had made an informed decision not to have the vaccine but now it appears that my risk will now greater than it was before ....due to mass vaccination. However I am still at a lower risk than if I do get the vaccination.

I absolutely believe it was right to protect the elderly and the vulnerable, but I firmly believe it was never right to isolate and lock down the young and the healthy. Since when have we ever quarantined healthy people. Geerts viewpoint seems very plausible and convincing to me, but I am not a scientist. However he is and what's more he is not against vaccination in general
I sincerely hope his submissions are taken very seriously. They ought to at least halt mass vaccination of the lower risk groups until his claims have been fully reviewed.

When have we ever treated an illness in this way. A virus which most people stood very little chance of catching, and if they did they would either have mild symptons or none at all, but if they did catch it, some would be badly impacted, but their chance of a full recovery was greater than 99.94%. In other words it was just one in millions of chances of dying. Of course people would die as they do all the time particularly during the 'flu/pneumonia/upper respiratory disease season as they have this year, although they have all been classified as Covid deaths. I have always thought this was about big pharma and the vaccine billions they were going to make, but I now think it goes a lot deeper than that with very sinister undertones!

I think that you are both clutching at straws, your posts to try and sway peoples views on not having the vaccine have pretty much failed, as most who read theses expat websites are of the vulnerable groups either older or have an underlying illness, they have either had the vaccine or are about to have it, in other words have already made their minds up.
Now you have changed your tune, accepting that vulnerable groups should now have the vaccine (what else can you do) and now preach that younger people shouldn't have it.
As you've changed your views, in my opinion that loses any credibility that you may have had before.

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Now you have changed your tune, accepting that vulnerable groups should now have the vaccine (what else can you do) and now preach that younger people shouldn't have it.
As you've changed your views, in my opinion that loses any credibility that you may have had before.

UncleD if the above comment was aimed at me - I have not changed my view at all when I said it was right that we should protect the elderly and the vulnerable, however I did not mean by vaccination. I meant by asking them to shield at home, and limit their contact with others, whilst the young and healthy continue with normal operations including keeping the economy going, and provide some herd immunity. And when I said we should halt mass vaccination of the lower risk groups, I said this because the high risk groups have already been vaccinated. My
So no, I have not changed my tune, it is you who has mis-interpreted what I said

So OK ladyLibra you are obviously Sadie62 on the other forum who is so angry that her post has been moved to the Politics section because you say not many people will see it there.
By all means have your own opinions but why are you so keen to promote your anti vaccination I ask myself. You spout one scientific opinion that 99% of us do not agree with and are not interested in. You are trying to meddle in things you know nothing about so please have your opinion but how about keep it to yourself?

Actually you may be correct on that point, maybe you should try to explain things in laymans terms as opposed to just putting lengthy videos on or copying and pasting what someone else has put, either way I find it all very tedious.
Maybe you should post on a website aimed at younger viewers as its wasted on these expat sites.

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I don't know what you are reading (or trying to read) but I see nothing about 'changing my tune' or agreeing that 'vulnerable groups should now have the vaccine'. Tell me where you think you saw this, because I'm telling you that you are wrong. I will tell you that I'm just a few months off being 80 years old and will rely on my innate immunity which I have always attempted to keep in a healthy condition, I decided not to have the vaccine years ago in respect of the 'flu vaccine and most certainly I would never have the experimental untested (sorry - it is being tested, but on the population. Tests are due to end in 2 years time - FACT) where was I , experimental (worth saying twice), mRNA injections (not true vaccines by accepted definition) never ever been tried on humans before, only on animals/ferrets where they had a good response initially but then had a disastrous response when faced with a natural virus and by fear and intimidation on the public at large which nearly the entire population seems to have given in to.

I had hoped that we might relatively soon be able to do away with wearing masks in public places but if Dr.Geert is correct (which seems likely but I sincerely hope he is wrong) it is evident that all will have to continue wearing them - particularly the unvaccinated to protect ourselves from the vaccinated who will be the ones incubating the ever stronger mutated viruses!

Yes poppytim you bet I am annoyed that it was moved to the political section, because it is not political at all. It is an alternative view from a very knowledgeable scientist who is not opposed to vaccination at all, in fact over his professional career he has been involved with vaccine development fo many years. Do you think I am not intelligent enough to realise the reason behind moving it to politics, I said it as it is - It was moved because the site owner did not want it seen and put it where it was least likely to be seen as most people view the general discussion area and don't view the political posts, I know I don't. In the last 12 months I have been told when I can and can't go out, who I can mix with and what time I have to be home. I see censorship of the truth on a grand scale. This is an open forum and we can all express our views. The moving of my post was another form of 'censorship'.....The site owner didn't agree, hence he moved it to a place where it was likely not to be viewed...that's censorship

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You are trying to meddle in things you know nothing about

This post is concerning the view of someone who has huge knowledge on the subject. And I believe it is worth a thought.

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You spout one scientific opinion that 99% of us do not agree with and are not interested in.

- I wouldn't agree that 99% of people don't agree that something is going on. You would be surprised how many people don't believe what we are being told, possibly not in your world, but definitely in mine. But I suppose it's your choice to sit there with your eyes closed and your head buried in the sand......I have a brain which tells me something is not right

ladyLibra you are losing the argument when you succumb to insults!
I can assure you that I do have a very well used brain.
I will not report your insults to Neil and Dave at present but please desist.

Goodness me, you think that is an insult, I was called a 'social leper' on PL because I had chosen not to have the vaccine (even though I have a very valid reason for my decision).....certainly didn't consider reporting it though !! I don't post on the forums very much at all but I have seen plenty of insults dished out to people far worse than anything I have ever said

Don't understand why people have to keep saying whether they intend to have / not have the vaccine as if that justifies their comments. Just because I may believe strongly in something doesn't shut my mind to other opinions.

To have an objective debate it is far better to state the facts, let people read them and allow them to comment rather than question their level of intelligence just because they have a different opinion.

To Jab or not to Jab that is the question.

There will always be a difference of opinion, obviously the two members have voiced their concerns and quite rightly so, based upon what they have read and what they have researched on the internet (in some cases minefield of doom and gloom), it is their choice not to have the jab and who are we to say that they must, that said it is also reciprocal that they should not condemn those that do want the jab.

We are all in strange times where fear is driving opinions, what ever comfort people get from their beliefs allow them to have that opinion and belief and not slate each other for having a difference of opinion.

A balanced discussion on either of the two mentioned forums is unlikely to happen given the unusual demographic of the members (most active ones).

They tend to be lets say more mature, often with illnesses, not reliant on earned income and actually the weak and vulnerable that are touted as being those in need of protection. Mix that with a certain amount of selfishness and there is certainly not a balanced audience.
many came here to enjoy/retire to the better general climate for health, as have done to Southern France etc for years so this audience is always going to be skewed.

From my perspective I won't be having an injection unless forced to do so.

The fact that at the outset of this'pandemic' we were going to have millions lying dead in the street, littering our pavements yada yada yada and there was o way to stop, cure, suppress it until.......... 100% indemnity was given for the inoculations and suddenly there is 3 pretenders to the throne that can pump any crud unto you with zero liability. Two have ingredients never used before in any inoculation and totally untested individually or in sync, the third pretender hasn't published the list of ingredients as yet.

Anyone who wishes for what they believe to be their health benefits personally is welcome to take as many drugs as they wish, inject as they wish, but don't force me to do so...

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Straight talking, no Gimmicks.

Live your dreams.

Yes Tanny, I see that now.
If this forum had a mixture of all age groups from young to elderly, some healthy and some not, some in desperate need of earning a living and some not, then this post would not have been treat with contempt. You would certainly have had many supporters and far more positive responses. In general I rarely post on forums, however I did decide to share this video because it isn't from a so called Conspiracy theorist, it is from a very respectable scientist who was warning that mass vaccination during a pandemic, combined with huge lockdowns is extremely dangerous. But I realise now any challenge to the narrative that we must lock us all down, close our businesses, stop our healthy people from mixing and vaccinate the world otherwise, as you say Tanny, we will have millions dying in the street was always going to be challenged on a forum of this type.
My post was not meant to upset anyone, I thought the video was well worth watching. I would doubt most who commented actually watched it from start to finish. The problem is that the majority on this forum believe any alternative explanation to what is given out on main stream media is pure conspiracy. They don't seem to realise that it's actually the reverse. MSM is steeped in propoganda, censorship and misinformation. There are many people questioning the narrative but, as I now realise, not on these forums. For those who don't need to work or are elderly and/or vulnerable I am sure most have children and grandchildren. I know I do and I think of how all of this will affect them going forward.

I wasn,t going to post again...because I have said my thoughts!

But what rude posts above to suggest that older, vulnerable people are selfish, beggars belief and once again you rudely knock anyone’s intelligence who disagrees with you!

If you do not want the vaccines...please do not have them! Simple! No one is forcing you to...they are not mandatory. Every country globally has been on a huge learning curve this last year. None knew what to expect or indeed how to deal with the pandemic...which to date has killed over 2.5 million people. As said earlier those images from overrun hospitals will stay in my mind forever!

Already here in Cyprus ...this week all non essential operations have been cancelled in general and private hospitals....as all hospitals gear up for an influx of covid patients!

All non essential, very urgent visits to drs surgeries cancelled and are now back to phone consultations!

I watched both videos in total, looked up this vettenary dr who works with vaccines letter to scientists and his thesis

I am awaiting the peer review from his fellow scientists as to their thoughts as that us how the scientific community works!

I also know of very many young front line workers drs and nurses ...who have prayed for lockdowns ...to ease their over run lives of the sick and dying in hospitals. Because people have been extremely sick and are dying. Who would completely and loudly disagree with your ideas!

Your great Drs video...sadly does not answer how to stop the deaths whilst herd immunity is reached in this pandemic....globally we are at 10% herd immunity so far ....he talks only in his second video of there will be great amount of casualties in all age groups..as natural herd immunity is reached ....as the virus switches from one older group back to younger groups of populations

So I ask again....how many millions more are you wanting to allow to die....or to be left permanently injured for life with long covid illnesses?

Scientific communities and governments for now...not selfish, older, vulnerable people of all ages decided on lock downs to stop as many deaths as they could!

Stop making out that because we the human race disagree with your thoughts that we as humanity following the scientists and governments are the ones in the wrong

Personally I will continue to follow the science ...and government recommendations

and I will await this highly thought of vettenary drs own personal thoughts to be reviewed by his peers and scientists

At the moment he has said and published his concerns his thoughts ...none of which have been peer scientifically proved yet as scientific facts!

Stay safe all

I'm not sure who your 2nd paragraph was aimed at, was it me, Ladylibra or both of us, or maybe even Tanny?

I started this theme of postings because the previous evening I had watched a live transmission from a renowned anti-vaxxer in the US (I admit to being in the classification of an anti-unsafe-vaxxer or an anti-unnecessary-vaxxer) although neither him nor me are in the 'conspiracy theory' category (think otherwise if you wish, it is your prerogative). I was alarmed that, as an anti-vaxxer, he would be taking notice of a pro-vaxxer, a renowned vaccine developer with decades of experience designing vaccines for many of the big pharma companies including GAVI, GSK and the Gates Foundation who was effectively warning the World of the catastrophic events he foresees if we carry on with what has been regarded as the only safe way forward and he gives details of those scenarios in the two videos together with the submitted papers which I posted.

The purpose of my posts was purely to inform the public of these predicted dangers so before taking vaccines (for those that haven't already) they have part of the information needed which will help them to give 'informed consent' which should be a legal requirement but I see none of it coming from the government or any of the main media. It was never my intention to attempt to persuade anybody to accept my way of thinking, mainly to get people to open their eyes and minds and form their own opinions based on the knowledge (false or otherwise) that they pick up during their deliberations. Some on here have made it clear that is what they have done, and that's fine, I wouldn't necessarily agree with them but that's ok too. What fails to impress me is the way some people totally dismiss what is being said without even bothering to watch the videos (in full) and particularly not having read Geert's papers the link for which I posted on here. I took the trouble to print off all eleven pages and have to say I found them alarming in the extreme - naturally I hope he is wrong but my intuition tells me he is not!

Unless there is an obvious reason to do so I do not intend making any further comment here.

After watching both videos.
I hope that his hypothesis doesn’t come true
And am awaiting the scientific peer review and response
Stay safe all

I am happy to report that today at the Gen Hospital I had my second PFIZER inoculation against Covid-19. I am one very happeeeeeeeeey Chapie.

Well done