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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:33 pm 
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Just read this on another forum:
https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/cyprus- ... USXMaMM1rY

“Pending the opinion of the Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC) of the European Medicines Agency, which is investigating a number of cases of blood clots in people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine in EU countries, it was decided today to temporarily suspend inoculations with the AstraZeneca vaccine until Thursday, March 18,” the Health Ministry said.

The Ministry clarified that the scheduled appointments with the vaccines of Moderna and Pfizer / BioNTech will be carried out normally.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:33 pm 
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This is so sad
A precautionary move...same as all other countries now involved
The 42 cases out of 17 million doses administered ....have not been proven to have happened because of the AZ vaccine at all. But roll out for now stopped.
Cyprus had stopped using the possible suspect batch last week...and had continued using their other batch numbers. No one in Cyprus has suffered any thrombosis issues...same as the 14 million people in the uk haven,t either

May the efficacious, safe AZ vaccine roll out in Cyprus continue ASAP


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 am 
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I'm sure wise medical heads will no doubt have considered any possible health implications on giving people two strains of vaccines if the AstraZenaca one is politically withdrawn?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:02 am 
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Apparently there are also cases of blood clots in people who have had the Pfizer jab too and of course there are cases of blood clots in people who have not been vaccinated at all. Every day people get blood clots,it is a sad fact.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:30 am 
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Sms texts are being sent out to those who had appointments for AZ vaccination with new appointment times!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:40 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:33 pm 
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A medical expert on TV today stated that the vaccine actually protects from blood clotting. I would suggest that it is all a storm in a tea cup and all countries will be clamouring for the vaccine again by the weekend


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:22 pm 
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My friend in her mid 70.s should have been having the AZ vaccine tomorrow

She has just received a text to say that that appointment is now cancelled
And she will have to wait a further 2 weeks for another appointment!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:42 pm 
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Poppytim wrote:
A medical expert on TV today stated that the vaccine actually protects from blood clotting. I would suggest that it is all a storm in a tea cup and all countries will be clamouring for the vaccine again by the weekend

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ju_Q0BAfmM

I would suspect it's about far more than just a few blood clots that is worrying them. This attachment shows side effect for a period of just five weeks.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:57 pm 
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Old Twister wrote:
I would suspect it's about far more than just a few blood clots that is worrying them. This attachment shows side effect for a period of just five weeks.

I must say that I don't normally read anti vaxers posts, but I did follow this link.

First thing to note is that the report says that it covers the period from 4 January to 28 February, which is 8 weeks, not 5 as you state.

Also, whilst they are listed as side effects, I cannot see anywhere where it states that the effects were directly attributable to the vaccine, nor does it state how many vaccines were administered over that period.

Finally, to put it in perspective you would really need a list of the same side effects against the entire population to see if any of them particularly stand out in the group give the vaccination. In any large group people will die in any given period and many more will succumb to a whole range of illnesses.

The report that you have referenced does not, in any way, suggest that scientists (I assume that is who you mean by "them") are worried about any of those effects.

Any form of medication will have side effects that could result in death, but generally, not having the medication increases your chance of death or serious illness. That is why doctors prescribe medicine or medical procedures. If you need a heart transplant the procedure is risky, but not having it is fatal.

Have a good day.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:49 pm 
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Effsie wrote:
Old Twister wrote:
I would suspect it's about far more than just a few blood clots that is worrying them. This attachment shows side effect for a period of just five weeks.

I must say that I don't normally read anti vaxers posts, but I did follow this link.

First thing to note is that the report says that it covers the period from 4 January to 28 February, which is 8 weeks, not 5 as you state.

Also, whilst they are listed as side effects, I cannot see anywhere where it states that the effects were directly attributable to the vaccine, nor does it state how many vaccines were administered over that period.

I will ignore your comment concerning anti-vaxxers as I made my position perfectly clear on another posting.
I will however admit that I may have got the dates (therefore the number of weeks) wrong. You obviously took dates from the front page but I took the dates from all the other 63 pages where in the top corner it said "Report Run Date 9 Mar 2021 & Earliest Reaction Date 3 Feb 1921". I mistakenly read that as 3 Feb 2021 (or they got the year wrong) - whichever way it is confusing.
It is an official internationally recognised MedDRA report headed Covid-19 Vaccine Astra Zeneca Analysis Print .... All UK Spontaneous Reports. I'm satisfied that it concerns reactions directly attributable to the vaccine, if you are not that's not my problem.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:17 pm 
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Having had the Astra Zeneca jab myself alongside now many of my family and friends since Astra Zeneca first came out in the uk

We are all great and fine...no side effects at all

Enjoy having your Astra Zeneca vaccines with confidence!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:41 pm 
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No thanks :crylaughin


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:17 pm 
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Poppytim wrote:
A medical expert on TV today stated that the vaccine actually protects from blood clotting. I would suggest that it is all a storm in a tea cup and all countries will be clamouring for the vaccine again by the weekend


I agree Poppytim
An absolute storm in a tea cup
Over this excellent vaccine
There are no issues ...as will become evident


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:41 pm 
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This all strikes me as another knicker wetting exercise, similar to the number of deaths being given as Covid related because someone has tested positive within 28 days.

While there certainly have been people who have sadly passed way as a direct result of Covid, how many of these deaths would have occurred anyway and actually have nothing to do with Covid.

Like others have said, I had my AZ jab two weeks ago and apart from a slightly sore arm for a day, I have suffered no ill effects whatsoever.

It’s a bit like some who has been arrested and held overnight by the police, if they pass away for any reason within two weeks its treated as a death in police custody!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:25 am 
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At the point of being banned.

I must say Old Twister, you appear to have an agenda against vaccines, in some of your other posts I have given you the benefit of not wanting the vaccine for your own reasons, as I said we have to respect your wishes, but producing this type of information is not on.

There are a lot of mature people who live in Cyprus who would like to get a life back before they go to the next one, you are frightening them by sprouting this anti vaccine agenda.

This not news now, to be honest it is boring, as you said in other posts you are just shy of 80, you should know better about propaganda and disinformation, the internet is full of trolls (not saying you are) and adding to the fear.

I doubt that you will accept these comments, because I doubt you will see it from our perspective.

My old man once said to me, if you cannot say anything nice or be constructive DONT say anything.

Rant over.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:55 am 
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lowvoltage wrote:
At the point of being banned.

I must say Old Twister, you appear to have an agenda against vaccines, in some of your other posts I have given you the benefit of not wanting the vaccine for your own reasons, as I said we have to respect your wishes, but producing this type of information is not on.

There are a lot of mature people who live in Cyprus who would like to get a life back before they go to the next one, you are frightening them by sprouting this anti vaccine agenda.

This not news now, to be honest it is boring, as you said in other posts you are just shy of 80, you should know better about propaganda and disinformation, the internet is full of trolls (not saying you are) and adding to the fear.

I doubt that you will accept these comments, because I doubt you will see it from our perspective.

My old man once said to me, if you cannot say anything nice or be constructive DONT say anything.

Rant over.

With all due respect you sound like the typical person who hasn't even bothered to watch the first video I posted on the other subject from a renowned PRO-VAXXER world famous vaccine designer with his fears for the future and you come out attacking me with your stupid rhetoric. Just go and watch that first video, come back and tell me you have watched it and are not at all concerned with what he said he is so worried about!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:48 am 
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sorry all double posted by mistake


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:48 am 
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That first videos information OT was in fact on a well known outrageous anti vaxxers channel

I watched in full both of those videos in question ...because you posted 2 videos....letters after Dr Bossche name will tell you ...he is in fact a vettanary Dr who has worked in the vaccine industry for the last few decades. A vettenary Dr who in his second video you posted ....when questioned on how we can stop this pandemic....he offers his own NK vaccine as the only solution to this pandemic...an NK vaccine that has not been accepted yet...has not been peer reviewed and is not yet in trials it is so controversial as the only solution to this pandemic... to quote his words. “ there will be many casualties” For natural herd immunity ....we are in fact at 10% herd immunity globally with 2.66 million lives lost so far...and many hundreds of thousands of lives left maimed

He in fact offers many more millions of deaths / casualties by natural herd immunity
And no answers to these casualties!

None of his information that you speak of is absolute fact ....or has been peer reviewed yet by global scientists. Until it is...his views are what they are....his views

I agree with low voltage your pure aim on writing here...isn,t to help people ...but as an anti vaxxer to do scare mongering ... your reactions above speak volumes!

You spout the Dr Bossche video because this Dr Bossche video was seen on your anti vaxxers site ....you would not have posted him...had he been pro this vaccine roll out at all, no matter how compelling his argument!

I say again....until Dr Bossche thoughts and hypothesis has been scientifically, peer reviewed ...it remains ... Dr Bossche own thoughts ...and not scientific fact....you being scientifically well read ...would know this!

May the AZ vaccine be once again approved today as the great vaccine that it is ...and start to be rolled out in Cyprus and the EU again as soon as possible

Stay safe everyone


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:05 am 
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Seems now the UK has stopped making appointments for vaccinating all under 50's blaming shortages of vaccines even though the vax companies say it is not true. I wonder why?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:30 pm 
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The reason why is quite simple. The UK is committed to vaccinating the top 9 categories including the clinically vulnerable by mid April. They are also committed to giving 2nd vaccines to approx 23 million who have already had their 1st vaccine. I think that is enough to be committed to at the moment.. They also expect to vaccinate most adults by July however threats from the EU are not to be taken lightly and I suspect they will not dare follow through as I have no doubt there will be retaliation.

The UK have done brilliantly in the vaccine programme and the EU are jealous. Italy and Greece to name just a couple are saying that the slur on AZ was political and not based on true health concerns. The UK have given extensively to Covex which provides vaccine to the poorest countries.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:42 pm 
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Old Twister wrote:
Seems now the UK has stopped making appointments for vaccinating all under 50's blaming shortages of vaccines even though the vax companies say it is not true. I wonder why?



An expected reduction in the UK's Covid vaccine supply in April is partly due to a delay in a delivery from India of five million Oxford-AstraZeneca doses.

The shipment, produced by the Serum Institute of India, has been held up by four weeks, the BBC has been told.

Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick said neither a single factory nor a country was responsible for supply issues.

The Department of Health insists it is still on track to offer a first dose to all adults by the end of July.

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